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Look what I inherited

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    Horace
    wrote on 24 May 2021, 14:28 last edited by
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    Cool stuff.

    Education is extremely important.

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      Mik
      wrote on 24 May 2021, 14:58 last edited by
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      What a window into both world history and your family story.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        Catseye3
        wrote on 24 May 2021, 15:04 last edited by
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        Yes, what everyone said. 🙂

        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          George K
          wrote on 24 May 2021, 15:17 last edited by
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          Amazing stuff, indeed!

          Please, please, let us know what the letters say.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            kluurs
            wrote on 24 May 2021, 15:48 last edited by
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            What an incredible time and life to have lived. Yes, please share some of what you learn.

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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on 24 May 2021, 16:01 last edited by
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              What kind of steps can be taken to preserve those?

              The Brad

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                24 May 2021, 16:01

                What kind of steps can be taken to preserve those?

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                Aqua Letifer
                wrote on 24 May 2021, 16:04 last edited by
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                @lufins-dad said in Look what I inherited:

                What kind of steps can be taken to preserve those?

                Museum glass + frame is what I'd do.

                Please love yourself.

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on 24 May 2021, 16:18 last edited by
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                  Like jon wrote, priceless.

                  Elbows up!

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                    Rich
                    wrote on 24 May 2021, 16:41 last edited by
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                    Wow, what a cool thing to have passed down.

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                      Copper
                      wrote on 24 May 2021, 17:03 last edited by
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                      Did he flee West?

                      Did he encounter any tncr ancestors? That would be a story.

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                        Rainman
                        wrote on 24 May 2021, 18:38 last edited by
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                        If he couldn't write about what he was experiencing, I'd prefer the salacious, dirty, sexy stuff, if you don't mind.

                        Seriously, it would be so interesting to glean things, such as what it was like to be a "man" as a soldier, lack of complaints given where he was, etc. What was his rank?

                        And again, if you can't do that, I'd be satisfied with the good stuff like I asked.

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                        • R Rainman
                          24 May 2021, 18:38

                          If he couldn't write about what he was experiencing, I'd prefer the salacious, dirty, sexy stuff, if you don't mind.

                          Seriously, it would be so interesting to glean things, such as what it was like to be a "man" as a soldier, lack of complaints given where he was, etc. What was his rank?

                          And again, if you can't do that, I'd be satisfied with the good stuff like I asked.

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                          Aqua Letifer
                          wrote on 24 May 2021, 18:39 last edited by
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                          @rainman said in Look what I inherited:

                          Seriously, it would be so interesting to glean things, such as what it was like to be a "man" as a soldier, lack of complaints given where he was, etc. What was his rank?

                          Quote from Red Oaks:

                          "Oh I get it, you're spending this summer trying to find yourself, is that it?"
                          "Well, I guess so, yeah."
                          "You know what I did when I was your age, trying to 'find myself?' "
                          "..."
                          "Killed. Nazis."

                          Please love yourself.

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                            Loki
                            wrote on 24 May 2021, 18:46 last edited by
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                            Holy crap. What a personal treasure trove.

                            So much of WW2 that I’ve read are based on personal diaries but they seem to be the UK view, I always wanted to hear from the diaries of the other perspective. Obviously your grandfather couldn’t say much but I suspect one would still get a feel for thing.

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                            • R Rainman
                              24 May 2021, 18:38

                              If he couldn't write about what he was experiencing, I'd prefer the salacious, dirty, sexy stuff, if you don't mind.

                              Seriously, it would be so interesting to glean things, such as what it was like to be a "man" as a soldier, lack of complaints given where he was, etc. What was his rank?

                              And again, if you can't do that, I'd be satisfied with the good stuff like I asked.

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                              Klaus
                              wrote on 24 May 2021, 18:51 last edited by
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                              @rainman said in Look what I inherited:

                              If he couldn't write about what he was experiencing, I'd prefer the salacious, dirty, sexy stuff, if you don't mind.

                              Seriously, it would be so interesting to glean things, such as what it was like to be a "man" as a soldier, lack of complaints given where he was, etc. What was his rank?

                              He had a low rank. "Obergefreiter". I think this is something like "Private first class".

                              It's quite interesting to read. Religion played a much bigger role back then. Much of the contents of the letters is pretty basic stuff: How relatives are doing, who got sick, how much they miss each other, how they hope the war is going to end, people who were injured or killed, sending and receiving rare things like chocolate, etc. I think the most striking aspects of the letters is how the life of a low-rank soldier was completely separate from the political sphere. The purpose of the war, what the politicians wanted, strategic goals etc. - all that happened on a different planet.

                              I'll try to see whether I find something that is interesting enough to translate.

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                                24 May 2021, 18:39

                                @rainman said in Look what I inherited:

                                Seriously, it would be so interesting to glean things, such as what it was like to be a "man" as a soldier, lack of complaints given where he was, etc. What was his rank?

                                Quote from Red Oaks:

                                "Oh I get it, you're spending this summer trying to find yourself, is that it?"
                                "Well, I guess so, yeah."
                                "You know what I did when I was your age, trying to 'find myself?' "
                                "..."
                                "Killed. Nazis."

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on 24 May 2021, 19:04 last edited by Renauda
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                                @aqua-letifer

                                That reminds me of my grade 12 history teacher. He was a Ukrainian nationalist from western Ukraine and therefore experienced first being under Polish rule then and being a second class citizen, Soviet occupation and terror, then Nazi occupation and terror then a threat of more Soviet terror. He said he spent his teenage years first conspiring against the Polish authorities, then shooting Russians for a while, then shooting Germans for a few years then finally shooting Russians, Germans and Polish communists as he made his way to Allied occupied territory. In his case he made it to British lines first.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • R Renauda
                                  24 May 2021, 19:04

                                  @aqua-letifer

                                  That reminds me of my grade 12 history teacher. He was a Ukrainian nationalist from western Ukraine and therefore experienced first being under Polish rule then and being a second class citizen, Soviet occupation and terror, then Nazi occupation and terror then a threat of more Soviet terror. He said he spent his teenage years first conspiring against the Polish authorities, then shooting Russians for a while, then shooting Germans for a few years then finally shooting Russians, Germans and Polish communists as he made his way to Allied occupied territory. In his case he made it to British lines first.

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                                  Rainman
                                  wrote on 24 May 2021, 19:58 last edited by
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                                  @renauda said in Look what I inherited:

                                  @aqua-letifer

                                  That reminds me of my grade 12 history teacher. He was a Ukrainian nationalist from western Ukraine and therefore experienced first being under Polish rule then and being a second class citizen, Soviet occupation and terror, then Nazi occupation and terror then a threat of more Soviet terror. He said he spent his teenage years first conspiring against the Polish authorities, then shooting Russians for a while, then shooting Germans for a few years then finally shooting Russians, Germans and Polish communists as he made his way to Allied occupied territory. In his case he made it to British lines first.

                                  That's amazing, Renauda.
                                  I'm particularly amazed that he was not shot as an enemy of the state along the way, by whoever was occupying his domicile. Horrible place to be during horrible times. It is indeed jaw-dropping to hear the stories. We are such softies, I almost feel guilty for all the angst and hysterics one reads in the news today, is nothing compared to what was going on in Europe and eastern Europe. Imagine not being able to enjoy freedom(s).

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 24 May 2021, 21:18 last edited by
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                                    Those belong in a WW2 museum.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      mark
                                      wrote on 24 May 2021, 21:58 last edited by
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                                      What a great inheritance.

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                                      • L Loki
                                        24 May 2021, 18:46

                                        Holy crap. What a personal treasure trove.

                                        So much of WW2 that I’ve read are based on personal diaries but they seem to be the UK view, I always wanted to hear from the diaries of the other perspective. Obviously your grandfather couldn’t say much but I suspect one would still get a feel for thing.

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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on 24 May 2021, 23:00 last edited by
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                                        @loki said in Look what I inherited:

                                        So much of WW2 that I’ve read are based on personal diaries but they seem to be the UK view, I always wanted to hear from the diaries of the other perspective.

                                        I read a book about D-day and the subsequent summer campaign told through the eyes of German soldiers. What I remember most is complaints and astonishment at the extent to which the the allies controlled the air. Lots of sentences like “and the enemy flies where he wants, when he wants, and places bombs at will, without even token opposition”

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                          jodi
                                          wrote on 24 May 2021, 23:53 last edited by
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                                          Oh what an incredible inheritance! They make acid free/archival envelopes and sleeves to put things like this in - my MIL had the letters home from an 1870’s era relative who was stationed Fort Benton in Montana - she put them in a notebook in archival page protectors (and ended up donating the whole thing to the historical society there).

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