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  • JollyJ Jolly

    Actually, this is pretty good stuff.

    At what point does society's need to know, outweigh patient privacy? I've been beat over the head with HIIPA for decades...God help you if you gave out any PHI.

    Now, many are calling for vaccine screening before you attend a ballgame or fly on an airplane.

    Who is right and who is wrong?

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    @jolly said in HIIPA?:

    Actually, this is pretty good stuff.

    At what point does society's need to know, outweigh patient privacy? I've been beat over the head with HIIPA for decades...God help you if you gave out any PHI.

    Now, many are calling for vaccine screening before you attend a ballgame or fly on an airplane.

    Who is right and who is wrong?

    Jesus. The objective was to make sure your health issues couldn’t be used against you. A vaccine isnt even close to that. I hate these stupid conversations.

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      @loki said in HIIPA?:

      Jesus. The objective was to make sure your health issues couldn’t be used against you. A vaccine isnt even close to that. I hate these stupid conversations.

      As with most things concerning the government, we moved past that objective a long time ago.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        An airplane ride with terrorists is probably more likely to kill you than an airplane ride with covid.

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        • CopperC Copper

          An airplane ride with terrorists is probably more likely to kill you than an airplane ride with covid.

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          @copper said in HIIPA?:

          An airplane ride with terrorists is probably more likely to kill you than an airplane ride with covid.

          We probably should get rid of the masks now. I do think if you have an insurance and you elect not to take the free vaccine you ought to have a heavy co pay at least if you get covid and need treatment. Why should I have to have my insurance rates jacked to pay for these freeloaders?

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            @copper said in HIIPA?:

            An airplane ride with terrorists is probably more likely to kill you than an airplane ride with covid.

            We probably should get rid of the masks now. I do think if you have an insurance and you elect not to take the free vaccine you ought to have a heavy co pay at least if you get covid and need treatment. Why should I have to have my insurance rates jacked to pay for these freeloaders?

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            @loki said in HIIPA?:

            @copper said in HIIPA?:

            An airplane ride with terrorists is probably more likely to kill you than an airplane ride with covid.

            We probably should get rid of the masks now. I do think if you have an insurance and you elect not to take the free vaccine you ought to have a heavy co pay at least if you get covid and need treatment. Why should I have to have my insurance rates jacked to pay for these freeloaders?

            I've been saying that about fat people for years.

            The fat people are really hogging health insurance coverage.

            And they aren't protected from discrimination, we can do anything we want to fat people.

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              Masks and vaccines are all the GOP have to push right now to keep the base going.

              I think people who took the shot have seriously moved on.

              I only keep mentioning it because it’s probably good advice to help your “hesitant” friends. Time to come out of the fox hole. The war is over.

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                @jolly, “breakthrough infection” is fine as long as it doesn’t get people killed, hospitalized, or leave people with severe long-term health issues. And the vaccines have so far been shown to be very effective at preventing death, hospitalization, and even symptoms. Even then, “breakthrough infection” among the vaccinated against COVID-19 is down in the 0.01% range. That’s not the sort of order of magnitude that would stand in the way or herd immunity, it’s something like three orders of magnitude away from that.

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                @axtremus said in HIIPA?:

                @jolly, “breakthrough infection” is fine as long as it doesn’t get people killed, hospitalized, or leave people with severe long-term health issues. And the vaccines have so far been shown to be very effective at preventing death, hospitalization, and even symptoms. Even then, “breakthrough infection” among the vaccinated against COVID-19 is down in the 0.01% range. That’s not the sort of order of magnitude that would stand in the way or herd immunity, it’s something like three orders of magnitude away from that.

                Right now, getting exposed to COVID in the US is in the .0085% range.

                The Brad

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                  Have any of the vaccines been fully approved yet? Or are they all on the emergency approval?

                  The Brad

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                    Hey Jolly, I think this kind of question is likely more in your wheelhouse:

                    How is a variant of Covid determined or found? You (generic) get the test, it goes through whatever process, and the result comes back positive. But where along this path is it determined that your Covid is a mutated strain and not the original? Is there someone in each lab that, I dunno, looks at some samples under a microscope and sees something different?

                    And it's driving me crazy: is it HIPPA, HIIPA, or HIPA.
                    I could look it up, but there are health care professionals in the building, so I know a quick answer could be had, to help us all. Or, Ax can tell, betcha.

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                    • RainmanR Rainman

                      Hey Jolly, I think this kind of question is likely more in your wheelhouse:

                      How is a variant of Covid determined or found? You (generic) get the test, it goes through whatever process, and the result comes back positive. But where along this path is it determined that your Covid is a mutated strain and not the original? Is there someone in each lab that, I dunno, looks at some samples under a microscope and sees something different?

                      And it's driving me crazy: is it HIPPA, HIIPA, or HIPA.
                      I could look it up, but there are health care professionals in the building, so I know a quick answer could be had, to help us all. Or, Ax can tell, betcha.

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                      @rainman
                      HIPAA lol. It’s tough for sure. I always remembered 2 a’s by saying accountability act to myself.

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        Have any of the vaccines been fully approved yet? Or are they all on the emergency approval?

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                        @lufins-dad said in HIIPA?:

                        Have any of the vaccines been fully approved yet? Or are they all on the emergency approval?

                        Pfizer has filed the paperwork.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • RainmanR Rainman

                          Hey Jolly, I think this kind of question is likely more in your wheelhouse:

                          How is a variant of Covid determined or found? You (generic) get the test, it goes through whatever process, and the result comes back positive. But where along this path is it determined that your Covid is a mutated strain and not the original? Is there someone in each lab that, I dunno, looks at some samples under a microscope and sees something different?

                          And it's driving me crazy: is it HIPPA, HIIPA, or HIPA.
                          I could look it up, but there are health care professionals in the building, so I know a quick answer could be had, to help us all. Or, Ax can tell, betcha.

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                          @rainman said in HIIPA?:

                          Hey Jolly, I think this kind of question is likely more in your wheelhouse:

                          How is a variant of Covid determined or found? You (generic) get the test, it goes through whatever process, and the result comes back positive. But where along this path is it determined that your Covid is a mutated strain and not the original? Is there someone in each lab that, I dunno, looks at some samples under a microscope and sees something different?

                          And it's driving me crazy: is it HIPPA, HIIPA, or HIPA.
                          I could look it up, but there are health care professionals in the building, so I know a quick answer could be had, to help us all. Or, Ax can tell, betcha.

                          Two common tests - PCR and LFT (lateral flow technology). In PCR they're looking at a fairly large portion of the viral rna and different strains of the same virus should be able to be picked up. PCR probably doesn't even discriminate between SARS - Cov (classic SARS) and SARS - CoV-2 (COVID-19), since much of the genome is similar.

                          Lots of LFT stuff on the market. I'm using the BD Veritor version today. More than you'll ever want to know:

                          https://bdveritor.bd.com/content/dam/bdveritor/pdfs/BD-Veritor-IFU.pdf

                          Yes, LFT can miss some variants, but it's easy and fast.

                          As for the new strains, CDC and other agencies run the entire genome on select and random patients, to check for strain variants.

                          More about HIPAA than you want to know:

                          https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/index.html

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            What is the line for reasonable risk?

                            Currently we are seeing 30,000 positive tests per day for 350,000,000 population. That is .000875% of the population if each positive test represents 1 new case (my understanding is that it doesn’t). At the same time, we are vaccinating almost 2,000,000 per day.

                            The Brad

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              @lufins-dad said in HIIPA?:

                              Have any of the vaccines been fully approved yet? Or are they all on the emergency approval?

                              Pfizer has filed the paperwork.

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                              @jolly said in HIIPA?:

                              @lufins-dad said in HIIPA?:

                              Have any of the vaccines been fully approved yet? Or are they all on the emergency approval?

                              Pfizer has filed the paperwork.

                              With about 1.5 billion doses administered that’s pretty funny.

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                                @lufins-dad said in HIIPA?:

                                Currently we are seeing 30,000 positive tests per day for 350,000,000 population. That is .000875% of the population if each positive test represents 1 new case

                                COVID-19 is not a "one day" problem, and you do not test all 350M people in one day anyway. It may be ".000875%" for one day, but what's the percentage for 10 days, 100 days, 400 days? What's the percentage over one person's lifetime? For those who cannot be vaccinated (due to allergies of other medical conditions, say), it's the probability of contraction over his lifetime that matters.

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  @lufins-dad said in HIIPA?:

                                  Currently we are seeing 30,000 positive tests per day for 350,000,000 population. That is .000875% of the population if each positive test represents 1 new case

                                  COVID-19 is not a "one day" problem, and you do not test all 350M people in one day anyway. It may be ".000875%" for one day, but what's the percentage for 10 days, 100 days, 400 days? What's the percentage over one person's lifetime? For those who cannot be vaccinated (due to allergies of other medical conditions, say), it's the probability of contraction over his lifetime that matters.

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                                  @axtremus The same lottery principle Dr. Phibes pointed out applies. (Insert evil maniacal laugh here!)

                                  The Brad

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                                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                    @axtremus The same lottery principle Dr. Phibes pointed out applies. (Insert evil maniacal laugh here!)

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                                    @lufins-dad said in HIIPA?:

                                    @axtremus The same lottery principle Dr. Phibes pointed out applies. (Insert evil maniacal laugh here!)

                                    No, it doesn't, because once you win the lottery you're just as likely to win it again as everybody else.

                                    (Insert pedantic snort/laughing-through-nose sound here)

                                    I was only joking

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                                      If I get COVID I hope I don’t share it with anybody else.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                        @lufins-dad said in HIIPA?:

                                        @axtremus The same lottery principle Dr. Phibes pointed out applies. (Insert evil maniacal laugh here!)

                                        No, it doesn't, because once you win the lottery you're just as likely to win it again as everybody else.

                                        (Insert pedantic snort/laughing-through-nose sound here)

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                                        LuFins Dad
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                                        @doctor-phibes said in HIIPA?:

                                        @lufins-dad said in HIIPA?:

                                        @axtremus The same lottery principle Dr. Phibes pointed out applies. (Insert evil maniacal laugh here!)

                                        No, it doesn't, because once you win the lottery you're just as likely to win it again as everybody else.

                                        (Insert pedantic snort/laughing-through-nose sound here)

                                        You’re right! All the people that have already had it helps reduce the spread!

                                        The Brad

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                                        • L Loki

                                          @jolly said in HIIPA?:

                                          @lufins-dad said in HIIPA?:

                                          Have any of the vaccines been fully approved yet? Or are they all on the emergency approval?

                                          Pfizer has filed the paperwork.

                                          With about 1.5 billion doses administered that’s pretty funny.

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                                          @loki said in HIIPA?:

                                          @jolly said in HIIPA?:

                                          @lufins-dad said in HIIPA?:

                                          Have any of the vaccines been fully approved yet? Or are they all on the emergency approval?

                                          Pfizer has filed the paperwork.

                                          With about 1.5 billion doses administered that’s pretty funny.

                                          Kept telling y'all that Trump moved mountains within the FDA to gain any sort of approval at all.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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