So, Tucker Carlson fans....
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@jolly said in So, Tucker Carlson fans....:
And I happen to agree with a good bit of it. It's similar to the position I've taken for a year or so...
So Jolly, are you of the opinion that the vaccines are effective?
@aqua-letifer said in So, Tucker Carlson fans....:
@jolly said in So, Tucker Carlson fans....:
And I happen to agree with a good bit of it. It's similar to the position I've taken for a year or so...
So Jolly, are you of the opinion that the vaccines are effective?
- They had to change the definition of vaccine, to accomodate some of the technology of the new vaccines.
- Are the COVID vaccinations effective? Depends on what you mean by effective. They seem to be effective at mortality, at lot less at morbidity.
- As noted, Tucker is not against the COVID vaccine. He is against the government forcing the vaccination, since it is not like a vaccination for smallpox or polio...One can be fully vaccinated and post-COVID (Torres from the Yankees) and still catch the disease, not to mention, pass it on.
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If the virus is effective, why would you care if anyone else uses it?
Of course you want to call them ignorant and stupid and so on.
But beyond that, so what?
There are lots of bad health choices that people make, they smoke, they drink alcohol, they live sedentary lives.
Of course you want to call them ignorant and stupid and so on.
But beyond that, so what?
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If the vaccine is 90% effective, then I have a 10% chance of being susceptible to it. Now, I'm not as smart as you rocket scientists, but it seems like a pretty obvious idea that the more people that get vaccination, the better my chances of not getting infected.
Call me woke if it makes you feel better about yourself, but I think it's pretty fucking obvious that the more people that get vaccinated the better.
People sowing the seeds of doubt about vaccine safety is unlikely to help this.
I'm left wondering what his agenda is, and what those who support him are hoping to gain from having less people vaccinated.
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If the vaccine is 90% effective, then I have a 10% chance of being susceptible to it. Now, I'm not as smart as you rocket scientists, but it seems like a pretty obvious idea that the more people that get vaccination, the better my chances of not getting infected.
Call me woke if it makes you feel better about yourself, but I think it's pretty fucking obvious that the more people that get vaccinated the better.
People sowing the seeds of doubt about vaccine safety is unlikely to help this.
I'm left wondering what his agenda is, and what those who support him are hoping to gain from having less people vaccinated.
@doctor-phibes said in So, Tucker Carlson fans....:
I'm left wondering what his agenda is,
Attention. It's what keeps his career going, so obviously that's the game.
His approach is very similar to Coulter's and Trump's: adopt an effective persona, and stick with it. (If I have to point out liberals who invoke the same strategy just let me know, I don't give a shit. It's obvious that this is how talking-head media works.) Carlson's persona is something like: "This new shit I'm throwing at you right now? Disturbing, isn't it? Well you and I, we're going to talk reasonably about these so-obviously-disturbing things, because as Men and Women of Reason, that's what we can do. We're not those vapid and histrionic other people." It's a constant appeal to emotion to get you to keep watching.
I'll even go one further and take a couple of stabs at why this strategy is so effective for some:
- There's a certain kinda cat who simultaneously takes a little too much pride in being a "businessman," "business owner," "I run a business here" etc., and has a little too much disdain for formal education. What this signals to me is that formal education is a game they think they can't play for some reason. So they do what a lot of other people do: they take their own perceived shortcoming and turn it into a virtue. I didn't blow my retirement to learn no feminist basketweaving horseshit, I'm a businessman, I run a business, etc. (Sadly this is massive in Australia. It's not as big a problem here but you can still find it easily enough. Again, for the folks at home, if you want me to do liberals next just let me know, they've obviously got their own.) Carlson's tone falls right into place here. You and I, right-thinking reasonable people, we can have a discussion about those other crazies.
- Not to mention the fact that (1) the far left does indeed have a sweeping majority in academia and (2) they're quite obviously insane. Which unfortunately, really bolsters the "business and common-sense-or-whatever-the-fuck-thats-supposed-to-mean-I-suppose-it-means-people-who-agree-with-me is better" viewpoint.
tl;dr: Carlson's an excellent and highly effective attention troll who employs a particular emotional ploy to fuel his career.
Please love yourself.
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As an aside, it's really sad that the left and the right are at a race to the bottom to not only discredit but outright dismantle our most important institutions: education, health organizations, and the federal government on the right; law enforcement, science, and individual protections under the law on the left.
It's like fuck everybody, can we keep the lights on for a few more months first before we implode? The Witcher's wrapping up Season 2 and it'd be good to get to that before we unmake civil society.
Please love yourself.
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I think there is a certain kind of pressure to take the vaccine. Recently, a couple of people here demanded mandatory vaccinations for children. I’m completely against that. There is an unknown risk of long term side effects of the vaccines. The kids don’t gain a lot by taking it since COVID fatalities are very rare. I don’t think kids have a moral obligation to take that risk for the benefit of others.
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I think there is a certain kind of pressure to take the vaccine. Recently, a couple of people here demanded mandatory vaccinations for children. I’m completely against that. There is an unknown risk of long term side effects of the vaccines. The kids don’t gain a lot by taking it since COVID fatalities are very rare. I don’t think kids have a moral obligation to take that risk for the benefit of others.
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As an aside, it's really sad that the left and the right are at a race to the bottom to not only discredit but outright dismantle our most important institutions: education, health organizations, and the federal government on the right; law enforcement, science, and individual protections under the law on the left.
It's like fuck everybody, can we keep the lights on for a few more months first before we implode? The Witcher's wrapping up Season 2 and it'd be good to get to that before we unmake civil society.
@aqua-letifer said in So, Tucker Carlson fans....:
As an aside, it's really sad that the left and the right are at a race to the bottom to not only discredit but outright dismantle our most important institutions: education, health organizations, and the federal government on the right; law enforcement, science, and individual protections under the law on the left.
It's like fuck everybody, can we keep the lights on for a few more months first before we implode? The Witcher's wrapping up Season 2 and it'd be good to get to that before we unmake civil society.
I think public education went tits up a couple of decades ago and we are just beginning to reap the benefits of it. Private education, as long as it can pry the Wokinistas off, seems a lot better. The Feds need to be reigned in, much of The Swamp is real. Health organizations? I think fundamental change is underway and it's all subject to debate...We know a lot of what works, we simply don't do it.
I think you can argue with 80% of it with the right and at least come to some compromise, especially if you can offer pragmatic, logical alternatives.
50% of the Left? Good luck.
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@doctor-phibes said in So, Tucker Carlson fans....:
I'm left wondering what his agenda is,
Attention. It's what keeps his career going, so obviously that's the game.
His approach is very similar to Coulter's and Trump's: adopt an effective persona, and stick with it. (If I have to point out liberals who invoke the same strategy just let me know, I don't give a shit. It's obvious that this is how talking-head media works.) Carlson's persona is something like: "This new shit I'm throwing at you right now? Disturbing, isn't it? Well you and I, we're going to talk reasonably about these so-obviously-disturbing things, because as Men and Women of Reason, that's what we can do. We're not those vapid and histrionic other people." It's a constant appeal to emotion to get you to keep watching.
I'll even go one further and take a couple of stabs at why this strategy is so effective for some:
- There's a certain kinda cat who simultaneously takes a little too much pride in being a "businessman," "business owner," "I run a business here" etc., and has a little too much disdain for formal education. What this signals to me is that formal education is a game they think they can't play for some reason. So they do what a lot of other people do: they take their own perceived shortcoming and turn it into a virtue. I didn't blow my retirement to learn no feminist basketweaving horseshit, I'm a businessman, I run a business, etc. (Sadly this is massive in Australia. It's not as big a problem here but you can still find it easily enough. Again, for the folks at home, if you want me to do liberals next just let me know, they've obviously got their own.) Carlson's tone falls right into place here. You and I, right-thinking reasonable people, we can have a discussion about those other crazies.
- Not to mention the fact that (1) the far left does indeed have a sweeping majority in academia and (2) they're quite obviously insane. Which unfortunately, really bolsters the "business and common-sense-or-whatever-the-fuck-thats-supposed-to-mean-I-suppose-it-means-people-who-agree-with-me is better" viewpoint.
tl;dr: Carlson's an excellent and highly effective attention troll who employs a particular emotional ploy to fuel his career.
@aqua-letifer said in So, Tucker Carlson fans....:
There's a certain kinda cat who simultaneously takes a little too much pride in being a "businessman," "business owner," "I run a business here" etc., and has a little too much disdain for formal education. What this signals to me is that formal education is a game they think they can't play for some reason.
In my job, nothing, and I mean nothing, rings alarm bells as much as somebody who signs off his emails, and even occasionally voicemails, with the phrase 'President and Founder'. It's happened a few times, and hell inevitably ensues.
Ironically, the second most scary trigger are the letters 'PhD' after a name.
