So, Tucker Carlson fans....
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@doctor-phibes said in So, Tucker Carlson fans....:
....what in tarnation is going on with his vaccination bullshit?
Never knew that you watched TuCa!
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I don't. But I believe he's just asking questions.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525.
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@doctor-phibes said in So, Tucker Carlson fans....:
I don't. But I believe he's just asking questions.
Lightning round: whataboutism fallacy!
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That's what he does
He picks a woke topic that is touchy
Then he says things about it, and asks questions that wokes aren't allowed to ask
He is good at it
The questions should be asked by every thinking person
In most cases the answers are obvious and simple
But the wokes go crazy just because of the asking
They should just ask it, answer it and move on
But that would ruin the fun
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@doctor-phibes said in So, Tucker Carlson fans....:
....what in tarnation is going on with his vaccination bullshit?
It's not BS, it's a viewpoint.
And I happen to agree with a good bit of it. It's similar to the position I've taken for a year or so...Read for yourself:
'Tucker Carlson Tonight' host takes a look at vaccine passports, virus transmission and more
Two days ago, a group of people in Santa Ana, California gathered to protest Orange County’s new vaccine passport program. Politicians in Orange County are building a digital database of residents who’ve been vaccinated against COVID. Not surprisingly, some citizens fear that information could be used going forward to violate their privacy, or to limit their constitutional rights. No matter where you are on vaccine passports, those are obviously valid concerns. They’re not crazy. If authorities in Orange County decided to start a database of everyone infected with HIV, or every woman who’d had an abortion, civil libertarians and others would, of course, ask vigorous questions about it. But with COVID, there are no questions allowed. Orange County’s board of supervisors effectively ignored Tuesday’s protest. One of the supervisors, a Democrat called Katrina Foley, dismissed the protestors with undisguised contempt. "They don’t believe in vaccines," she snorted.
You hear that a lot: "They’re anti-vaxxers. They don’t believe in vaccines." But pause for a second and think about it. That’s a pretty strange way to talk about science. Science never asks us to believe in anything. Just the opposite. Science is a never-ending attack on settled belief, on faith, on what we imagine we know, on what we assume. Science doesn’t tell us what’s true. Science shows us what’s true. It demands proof, not faith. So the next time you hear some smug mask-wearer harrumphing about how the mouth-breathers out there in middle-America don’t "believe" in vaccines, you can be certain you’re in the presence of someone who has no idea what science is. You’ll know you’re talking to a moron.
But, since we’re on the subject, there do appear to be millions of people out there who don’t believe the COVID vaccine actually works. Who are these people? Pollsters tend to miss them. If you ask 100 Americans, "do you think the COVID vaccine is effective?" about 99 of them will say, "of course, yeah, it’s effective." And they’ll say that because they know what they’re supposed to say. They watch The Today Show. They don’t want to be punished for having the wrong opinions. They don’t want to get fired or ostracized.
But let’s say you phrased the question more cleverly, in a less direct way? What would the results be then? Pollsters at the Morning Consult just did that. Here’s what they found: Americans who have been vaccinated against COVID are more afraid of going outside than Americans who haven’t been vaccinated. Much more afraid. Only a quarter of vaccinated adults say they’d be willing to travel to a work conference or enter a gym. Only 24% of them would take the bus. Less than half would be willing to rent a car, alone. Only 34% would go to a party. Just 17% of them would dare to take a cruise. And so on. These people are absolutely terrified of getting COVID. Yet, again, they’ve all been vaccinated. Clearly, many vaccinated Americans — most, according to this poll — don’t really believe in the COVID vaccine.
What does this tell us? Among other things, it tells us that we’ve long ago left the realm of science, and are instead in a state of mass hysteria and mass manipulation. Many Americans are too scared to think clearly. If you’ve had the vaccine, which you say you believe is effective, but you’re too afraid to rent a car for fear of getting COVID, you’re not thinking clearly. And you’re not thinking clearly because you’re too afraid. And you’re afraid because you’ve been told for more than a year that you are required to be terrified. And the arrival of the vaccine has not calmed you at all. Instead, demagogues have instructed them to channel their fear into hate, and turn it on anyone who disobeys their orders. The result is vaccinated Americans in masks cannot be happy or feel safe, or feel any relief at all, until every other person in the country joins them in getting the shot, and covering their faces. That’s not rational. That’s not science. It’s something much darker than that. What began as public health measures have become instruments of social control.
NIH director: 'Let's not fuss' over misleading CDC COVID statistic
We saw this all on stark display last night when we interviewed Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. Johnson has already recovered from COVID. Like tens of millions of Americans, maybe over 100 million, Ron Johnson has had the COVID virus and survived. Johnson is not opposed to vaccines. He’s had many in the past. He told us last night he’d be happy to have many more in the future. He’s for vaccines. But in this specific case, Johnson consulted with his physician, who tested him for antibodies to the virus. Like many people who’ve already had COVID and recovered, Johnson has greater natural protection from the virus than any vaccine could give him. So there is no medical reason for him to get the vaccine. People shouldn’t take medicine they don’t need. Ron Johnson has decided for these reasons against getting the shot. Now, that is not a crazy position. In fact, it’s an entirely rational position given what we know — in Ron Johnson’s case, it’s much more rational than taking medicine he doesn’t need. That would be reckless and crazy, it would not be science. Probably because it is rational — and because Ron Johnson explained his position so clearly and so calmly and with reference to the actual science — the forces of lunacy decided they must destroy Ron Johnson before others could hear what he was saying. Here’s how MSNBC responded last night:BRIAN WILLIAMS: This is Senator Ron Johnson on Fox News tonight
RON JOHNSON: People ought to respect other people's freedom and liberty in their ability to choose whether or not to get vaccinated or not...I am concerned now about them trying to push it on children, who, let’s face it, aren’t in a position of informed consent. We do need to recognize that this is not a fully approved vaccine.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: So Doctor, I know really smart, educated, substantial people who believe him to be a witting or an unwitting asset of Russia—who would sound a lot like that—in American society.
An asset of Russia. If you choose not to get the vaccine — even on the advice of your physician, taking medical advice from a practicing doctor — then you’re working for Putin. You’re a traitor, doing the bidding of a foreign power. You’ve committed treason.
Now, we should point out, that’s Joe Scarborough talking, or the angry race lady in the afternoons on MSNBC. That’s Mr. Brian William’s himself, America’s last living anchorman, the voice of reason, the man who calms you with the truth. Unfortunately, he too has gone insane, as have so many. Here’s some guy on CNN calling for people who haven’t been vaccinated to be arrested if they try to enter buildings:
JOHN BERMAN: Is that my concern that someone who’s chosen to be unvaccinated is making a bad choice. And question two is, maybe there should be laws that allow them to be kept out of the building.
BECERRA: Well, you’ve hit right on the point, John, how do we get to a point where we get everyone to be as safe as possible?
"Maybe there should be laws that allow them to be kept out of the building," says the dumbo on TV. They’ll say anything. What’s amazing, is the response from Joe Biden’s Cabinet secretary. Absolutely, says Joe Biden’s cabinet secretary. You’d like to think we’ll look back on this and laugh someday. But we’re starting to wonder if that day will ever come. Maybe the fear will never go away. It’s too useful. Maybe anyone who asks questions will be called an agent of Russia or China or Syria, or wherever.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@jolly said in So, Tucker Carlson fans....:
And I happen to agree with a good bit of it. It's similar to the position I've taken for a year or so...
So Jolly, are you of the opinion that the vaccines are effective?
Please love yourself.
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@aqua-letifer said in So, Tucker Carlson fans....:
@jolly said in So, Tucker Carlson fans....:
And I happen to agree with a good bit of it. It's similar to the position I've taken for a year or so...
So Jolly, are you of the opinion that the vaccines are effective?
- They had to change the definition of vaccine, to accomodate some of the technology of the new vaccines.
- Are the COVID vaccinations effective? Depends on what you mean by effective. They seem to be effective at mortality, at lot less at morbidity.
- As noted, Tucker is not against the COVID vaccine. He is against the government forcing the vaccination, since it is not like a vaccination for smallpox or polio...One can be fully vaccinated and post-COVID (Torres from the Yankees) and still catch the disease, not to mention, pass it on.
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If the virus is effective, why would you care if anyone else uses it?
Of course you want to call them ignorant and stupid and so on.
But beyond that, so what?
There are lots of bad health choices that people make, they smoke, they drink alcohol, they live sedentary lives.
Of course you want to call them ignorant and stupid and so on.
But beyond that, so what?
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If the vaccine is 90% effective, then I have a 10% chance of being susceptible to it. Now, I'm not as smart as you rocket scientists, but it seems like a pretty obvious idea that the more people that get vaccination, the better my chances of not getting infected.
Call me woke if it makes you feel better about yourself, but I think it's pretty fucking obvious that the more people that get vaccinated the better.
People sowing the seeds of doubt about vaccine safety is unlikely to help this.
I'm left wondering what his agenda is, and what those who support him are hoping to gain from having less people vaccinated.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525.
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@doctor-phibes said in So, Tucker Carlson fans....:
I'm left wondering what his agenda is,
Attention. It's what keeps his career going, so obviously that's the game.
His approach is very similar to Coulter's and Trump's: adopt an effective persona, and stick with it. (If I have to point out liberals who invoke the same strategy just let me know, I don't give a shit. It's obvious that this is how talking-head media works.) Carlson's persona is something like: "This new shit I'm throwing at you right now? Disturbing, isn't it? Well you and I, we're going to talk reasonably about these so-obviously-disturbing things, because as Men and Women of Reason, that's what we can do. We're not those vapid and histrionic other people." It's a constant appeal to emotion to get you to keep watching.
I'll even go one further and take a couple of stabs at why this strategy is so effective for some:
- There's a certain kinda cat who simultaneously takes a little too much pride in being a "businessman," "business owner," "I run a business here" etc., and has a little too much disdain for formal education. What this signals to me is that formal education is a game they think they can't play for some reason. So they do what a lot of other people do: they take their own perceived shortcoming and turn it into a virtue. I didn't blow my retirement to learn no feminist basketweaving horseshit, I'm a businessman, I run a business, etc. (Sadly this is massive in Australia. It's not as big a problem here but you can still find it easily enough. Again, for the folks at home, if you want me to do liberals next just let me know, they've obviously got their own.) Carlson's tone falls right into place here. You and I, right-thinking reasonable people, we can have a discussion about those other crazies.
- Not to mention the fact that (1) the far left does indeed have a sweeping majority in academia and (2) they're quite obviously insane. Which unfortunately, really bolsters the "business and common-sense-or-whatever-the-fuck-thats-supposed-to-mean-I-suppose-it-means-people-who-agree-with-me is better" viewpoint.
tl;dr: Carlson's an excellent and highly effective attention troll who employs a particular emotional ploy to fuel his career.
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As an aside, it's really sad that the left and the right are at a race to the bottom to not only discredit but outright dismantle our most important institutions: education, health organizations, and the federal government on the right; law enforcement, science, and individual protections under the law on the left.
It's like fuck everybody, can we keep the lights on for a few more months first before we implode? The Witcher's wrapping up Season 2 and it'd be good to get to that before we unmake civil society.
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I think there is a certain kind of pressure to take the vaccine. Recently, a couple of people here demanded mandatory vaccinations for children. I’m completely against that. There is an unknown risk of long term side effects of the vaccines. The kids don’t gain a lot by taking it since COVID fatalities are very rare. I don’t think kids have a moral obligation to take that risk for the benefit of others.
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@Klaus I agree. I'm against mandatory vaccines even though it might well be the case that they are totally ineffective for me.
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@aqua-letifer said in So, Tucker Carlson fans....:
As an aside, it's really sad that the left and the right are at a race to the bottom to not only discredit but outright dismantle our most important institutions: education, health organizations, and the federal government on the right; law enforcement, science, and individual protections under the law on the left.
It's like fuck everybody, can we keep the lights on for a few more months first before we implode? The Witcher's wrapping up Season 2 and it'd be good to get to that before we unmake civil society.
I think public education went tits up a couple of decades ago and we are just beginning to reap the benefits of it. Private education, as long as it can pry the Wokinistas off, seems a lot better. The Feds need to be reigned in, much of The Swamp is real. Health organizations? I think fundamental change is underway and it's all subject to debate...We know a lot of what works, we simply don't do it.
I think you can argue with 80% of it with the right and at least come to some compromise, especially if you can offer pragmatic, logical alternatives.
50% of the Left? Good luck.
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@aqua-letifer said in So, Tucker Carlson fans....:
There's a certain kinda cat who simultaneously takes a little too much pride in being a "businessman," "business owner," "I run a business here" etc., and has a little too much disdain for formal education. What this signals to me is that formal education is a game they think they can't play for some reason.
In my job, nothing, and I mean nothing, rings alarm bells as much as somebody who signs off his emails, and even occasionally voicemails, with the phrase 'President and Founder'. It's happened a few times, and hell inevitably ensues.
Ironically, the second most scary trigger are the letters 'PhD' after a name.
