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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/many-200-americans-have-now-reported-possible-symptoms-havana-syndrome-n1274385

    As many as 200 Americans have come forward to describe possible symptoms of directed energy attacks, part of a wave of fresh reports that includes newly identified incidents around the world, Western officials say.

    A U.S. official with knowledge of new potential cases of so-called Havana Syndrome said a steady drumbeat of cables has been coming in from overseas posts reporting new incidents — often multiple times each week.

    A recent and previously unreported incident in Berlin cut short at least one diplomat's term in Germany, U.S. officials and others briefed about the matter said.

    Another person who was briefed this month about recent incidents said, "It is global — but there seems to be an awful lot going on in Europe."

    Officials with direct knowledge said there are now possible cases on every continent except Antarctica. In the past year, officials said, more than one American in the Central Asian country of Kyrgyzstan has experienced symptoms, including a baby.

    Almost half of the possible cases involve CIA officers or their relatives, two officials said, while about 60 involve Defense Department employees or relatives, and around 50 were linked to the State Department.

    A number of FBI agents and personnel — both current and former — have come forward after having experienced symptoms while overseas, especially in Europe and Central Asia, sources said. Several FBI employees reported to officials that they were hit in Vienna, including some possible cases dating back more than a decade.

    In a statement, an FBI spokesperson said: "In keeping with DOJ policy, the FBI can neither confirm nor deny the existence of specific investigations. However, we will direct you to recent statements made by Director Wray in testimony before Congress where he underscored the protection, health, and well-being of U.S. government personnel is the highest priority; we view all U.S. government personnel who have these symptoms as potential victims and will treat them as such; and we care deeply about our colleagues in the federal government."

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #4

      https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/12/is-russia-inflicting-brain-damage-on-diplomats/

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        jon-nyc
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        #5

        It's past time to impose some huge costs on that foul regime.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Yep.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Will take a lot more evidence for me to buy that Russia is the cause of this:

            https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/health-and-nutrition/havana-syndrome-or-case-eliminating-implausible

            Elbows up!

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
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              Not saying that this is what it is, but the tech is there:

              Link to video

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • George KG George K

                Not saying that this is what it is, but the tech is there:

                Link to video

                CopperC Offline
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                Copper
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                #9

                @george-k said in Havana Syndrome:

                Not saying that this is what it is, but the tech is there:

                I think that kind of RF technology is also used by plastic surgeons to do facelift (radiofrequency skin tightening) kind of work.

                I had similar treatment (Photodynamic therapy "blue light") for pre-cancerous actinic keratoses. This feels like your face is going to melt off, it feels really hot. The first time I was treated with it, it was painful.

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                  Researchers with the National Institutes of Health published a pair of studies on Monday that found few clinical differences between patients with a mysterious ailment known as “Havana syndrome” and healthy comparison groups.

                  In one study, NIH researchers took a closer look at the brains of people who were believed to have Havana syndrome and found no consistent evidence of brain injury and no significant differences between that group and a healthy comparison group.

                  In the second study, scientists ran a battery of tests on 86 US government staff and family members who reported Havana syndrome, comparing them with 30 people who had similar jobs but had no such symptoms, and found that by most clinical and biomarker measures, the two groups were the same.

                  https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2816532?guestAccessKey=585c4d36-d78f-4f5c-90ec-06daf860fb3a&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=031824

                  https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2816533?guestAccessKey=35666cf7-62e5-46ec-83c9-f041972ebb03&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=031824

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                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                    Researchers with the National Institutes of Health published a pair of studies on Monday that found few clinical differences between patients with a mysterious ailment known as “Havana syndrome” and healthy comparison groups.

                    In one study, NIH researchers took a closer look at the brains of people who were believed to have Havana syndrome and found no consistent evidence of brain injury and no significant differences between that group and a healthy comparison group.

                    In the second study, scientists ran a battery of tests on 86 US government staff and family members who reported Havana syndrome, comparing them with 30 people who had similar jobs but had no such symptoms, and found that by most clinical and biomarker measures, the two groups were the same.

                    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2816532?guestAccessKey=585c4d36-d78f-4f5c-90ec-06daf860fb3a&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=031824

                    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2816533?guestAccessKey=35666cf7-62e5-46ec-83c9-f041972ebb03&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=031824

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                    @taiwan_girl said in Havana Syndrome:

                    Researchers with the National Institutes of Health published a pair of studies on Monday that found few clinical differences between patients with a mysterious ailment known as “Havana syndrome” and healthy comparison groups.

                    In one study, NIH researchers took a closer look at the brains of people who were believed to have Havana syndrome and found no consistent evidence of brain injury and no significant differences between that group and a healthy comparison group.

                    In the second study, scientists ran a battery of tests on 86 US government staff and family members who reported Havana syndrome, comparing them with 30 people who had similar jobs but had no such symptoms, and found that by most clinical and biomarker measures, the two groups were the same.

                    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2816532?guestAccessKey=585c4d36-d78f-4f5c-90ec-06daf860fb3a&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=031824

                    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2816533?guestAccessKey=35666cf7-62e5-46ec-83c9-f041972ebb03&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=031824

                    I guess it's possible that this is like those cops who pass out due to fentanyl exposure?

                    I was only joking

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      My only criticism is that the first study looked at MRI anatomical changes in the subjects.

                      Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it's not there.

                      Same for the "biomarker" tests.

                      D2 still suffers from the residual of her COVID. Breathlessness, parosmia, etc. Chest X-ray, pulmonary functions, blood work all normal.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

                        My only criticism is that the first study looked at MRI anatomical changes in the subjects.

                        Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it's not there.

                        Same for the "biomarker" tests.

                        D2 still suffers from the residual of her COVID. Breathlessness, parosmia, etc. Chest X-ray, pulmonary functions, blood work all normal.

                        taiwan_girlT Offline
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                        taiwan_girl
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                        #13

                        @George-K said in Havana Syndrome:

                        D2 still suffers from the residual of her COVID. Breathlessness, parosmia, etc. Chest X-ray, pulmonary functions, blood work all normal.

                        How is her taste and smell? I remember you mentioning that it was quite bad for a long time.

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
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                          60 Minutes did a followup of the story.

                          Link to video

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
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                            Surprised?

                            Nope.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • George KG Offline
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                              George K
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                              A longer, deeper, dive into the investigation

                              https://theins.ru/en/politics/270425?fbclid=IwAR1-zgaRCcqLVVdpvB_T7x6OhfjlmYYj19qk--yUS5Z_JPEbwSrFkBXVwNo_aem_AZQYf7CKFKxdJsl8DVO1IwTRB0AnJz_Gyc2BRcS1gVqyXzNJGen--RBvYS8LMQkT5eYN07YHr4TJ2dHejFEYgf5m

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                George K
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                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  Bomb Havana. But get all the cool old cars out first.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    Bomb Havana. But get all the cool old cars out first.

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                                    George K
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                                    @Mik said in Havana Syndrome:

                                    Bomb Havana. But get all the cool old cars out first.

                                    And the cigars.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Mik
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                                      Meh. The Dominicans are just as good. Cubans are like Coors used to be east of the Rockies.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • George KG Offline
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                                        George K
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                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          As any detective would ask, what is the motive for covering up? It is not like Cuba is our strategic partner or anything like that.

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