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    Jolly
    wrote on 7 May 2021, 01:18 last edited by
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    https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2021/05/06/study-joe-biden-given-least-negative-news-coverage-of-any-president-in-last-30-years/

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Axtremus
      wrote on 7 May 2021, 02:00 last edited by
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      From https://www.journalism.org/2021/04/28/at-100-day-mark-coverage-of-biden-has-been-slightly-more-negative-than-positive-varied-greatly-by-outlet-type/pj_2021-04-28_biden-100-days_0-01a/

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        Jolly
        wrote on 7 May 2021, 12:46 last edited by Jolly 5 Jul 2021, 12:47
        #3

        So, you're using stats to buttress your claim the Joe has not received more favorable coverage?

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          LuFins Dad
          wrote on 7 May 2021, 13:09 last edited by
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          Funny, both articles are based on the same study.

          The Brad

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          • J Jolly
            7 May 2021, 12:46

            So, you're using stats to buttress your claim the Joe has not received more favorable coverage?

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            Axtremus
            wrote on 7 May 2021, 14:15 last edited by
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            @jolly said in 30 Years:

            So, you're using stats to buttress your claim the Joe has not received more favorable coverage?

            Look at the breakdown. The right-leaning media were more negative towards Biden then the left-leaning media were towards Trump.

            Mostly it’s the media with mixed audience that were more positive towards Biden than they were towards Trump.

            Sure, overall Biden gets fewer negative coverages across all media. That’s because Biden appears a lot more reasonable after the Trump sh!tshow. It’s easy to get higher marks after the nation lived for years under Trump’s very low bar.

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            • A Axtremus
              7 May 2021, 14:15

              @jolly said in 30 Years:

              So, you're using stats to buttress your claim the Joe has not received more favorable coverage?

              Look at the breakdown. The right-leaning media were more negative towards Biden then the left-leaning media were towards Trump.

              Mostly it’s the media with mixed audience that were more positive towards Biden than they were towards Trump.

              Sure, overall Biden gets fewer negative coverages across all media. That’s because Biden appears a lot more reasonable after the Trump sh!tshow. It’s easy to get higher marks after the nation lived for years under Trump’s very low bar.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 7 May 2021, 17:49 last edited by
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              @axtremus said in 30 Years:

              @jolly said in 30 Years:

              So, you're using stats to buttress your claim the Joe has not received more favorable coverage?

              Look at the breakdown. The right-leaning media were more negative towards Biden then the left-leaning media were towards Trump.

              Mostly it’s the media with mixed audience that were more positive towards Biden than they were towards Trump.

              Sure, overall Biden gets fewer negative coverages across all media. That’s because Biden appears a lot more reasonable after the Trump sh!tshow. It’s easy to get higher marks after the nation lived for years under Trump’s very low bar.

              You actually believe that?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • J Jolly
                7 May 2021, 17:49

                @axtremus said in 30 Years:

                @jolly said in 30 Years:

                So, you're using stats to buttress your claim the Joe has not received more favorable coverage?

                Look at the breakdown. The right-leaning media were more negative towards Biden then the left-leaning media were towards Trump.

                Mostly it’s the media with mixed audience that were more positive towards Biden than they were towards Trump.

                Sure, overall Biden gets fewer negative coverages across all media. That’s because Biden appears a lot more reasonable after the Trump sh!tshow. It’s easy to get higher marks after the nation lived for years under Trump’s very low bar.

                You actually believe that?

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                Axtremus
                wrote on 7 May 2021, 21:03 last edited by
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                @jolly said in 30 Years:

                @axtremus said in 30 Years:

                @jolly said in 30 Years:

                So, you're using stats to buttress your claim the Joe has not received more favorable coverage?

                Look at the breakdown. The right-leaning media were more negative towards Biden then the left-leaning media were towards Trump.

                Mostly it’s the media with mixed audience that were more positive towards Biden than they were towards Trump.

                Sure, overall Biden gets fewer negative coverages across all media. That’s because Biden appears a lot more reasonable after the Trump sh!tshow. It’s easy to get higher marks after the nation lived for years under Trump’s very low bar.

                You actually believe that?

                Going by Pew Research‘s data, sure.
                If you have better data that might paint a different picture, please share. I am open to being convinced otherwise.

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                  7 May 2021, 14:15

                  @jolly said in 30 Years:

                  So, you're using stats to buttress your claim the Joe has not received more favorable coverage?

                  Look at the breakdown. The right-leaning media were more negative towards Biden then the left-leaning media were towards Trump.

                  Mostly it’s the media with mixed audience that were more positive towards Biden than they were towards Trump.

                  Sure, overall Biden gets fewer negative coverages across all media. That’s because Biden appears a lot more reasonable after the Trump sh!tshow. It’s easy to get higher marks after the nation lived for years under Trump’s very low bar.

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                  Horace
                  wrote on 7 May 2021, 21:07 last edited by Horace 5 Jul 2021, 21:07
                  #8

                  @axtremus said in 30 Years:

                  @jolly said in 30 Years:

                  So, you're using stats to buttress your claim the Joe has not received more favorable coverage?

                  Look at the breakdown. The right-leaning media were more negative towards Biden then the left-leaning media were towards Trump.

                  There's negative and then there's negative. There's no such thing as a broad cultural group-think hatred, culminating in millions of people feeling like a car alarm is going off in their heads, because that geriatric puppet is president. But the hysterical negative coverage of Trump led to genuine terror and hatred of the man. What's a negative story about Biden? That his tax plan sucks?

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    Copper
                    wrote on 7 May 2021, 21:09 last edited by
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                    That his vp will get a promotion

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                    • L LuFins Dad
                      7 May 2021, 13:09

                      Funny, both articles are based on the same study.

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                      taiwan_girl
                      wrote on 8 May 2021, 16:04 last edited by
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                      @lufins-dad said in 30 Years:

                      Funny, both articles are based on the same study.

                      Statistics. LOL

                      #1 President Trump received more votes than any previous president candidate

                      #2 Presdient Trump lost the popular vote by one of the highest margins ever

                      Both are true.

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 8 May 2021, 16:31 last edited by
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                        I don't know where you get your stats, but your popular vote numbers are awful.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • J Jolly
                          8 May 2021, 16:31

                          I don't know where you get your stats, but your popular vote numbers are awful.

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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on 8 May 2021, 17:01 last edited by
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                          @jolly President Trump loss was in the top 20% in absolute numbers ever.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 8 May 2021, 17:05 last edited by
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                            https://www.statista.com/statistics/1035992/winning-margins-us-presidential-elections-since-1789/

                            Not quite 4.5%.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • J Jolly
                              8 May 2021, 17:05

                              https://www.statista.com/statistics/1035992/winning-margins-us-presidential-elections-since-1789/

                              Not quite 4.5%.

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                              taiwan_girl
                              wrote on 9 May 2021, 00:12 last edited by
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                              @jolly Sorry, I was not very clear.

                              If you look at all the presidential elections, and the absolute number of votes difference between the winner and loser (not the % difference), the loss of President Trump in 2020 to President Biden was in top 20%. The biggest margin was President Nixon in 1968.

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                                9 May 2021, 00:12

                                @jolly Sorry, I was not very clear.

                                If you look at all the presidential elections, and the absolute number of votes difference between the winner and loser (not the % difference), the loss of President Trump in 2020 to President Biden was in top 20%. The biggest margin was President Nixon in 1968.

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                                George K
                                wrote on 9 May 2021, 00:16 last edited by
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                                @taiwan_girl said in 30 Years:

                                absolute number of votes difference

                                Is that really a valid measure, considering the population growth?

                                For example the absolute numbers of Adams v Jefferson are small; is that a valid comparison to say, Bush v Kerry?

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • G George K
                                  9 May 2021, 00:16

                                  @taiwan_girl said in 30 Years:

                                  absolute number of votes difference

                                  Is that really a valid measure, considering the population growth?

                                  For example the absolute numbers of Adams v Jefferson are small; is that a valid comparison to say, Bush v Kerry?

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                                  taiwan_girl
                                  wrote on 9 May 2021, 00:32 last edited by
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                                  @george-k said in 30 Years:

                                  @taiwan_girl said in 30 Years:

                                  absolute number of votes difference

                                  Is that really a valid measure, considering the population growth?

                                  For example the absolute numbers of Adams v Jefferson are small; is that a valid comparison to say, Bush v Kerry?

                                  Exactly. That is my point. Statistics can be made to say anything.

                                  My previous comment was this:
                                  #1 President Trump received more votes than any previous president candidate

                                  #2 Presdient Trump lost the popular vote by one of the highest margins ever

                                  Both sides use the same data to say how popular/unpopular President Trump was. Both statements are true, but also misleading.

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