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A little bit closer?

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  • L Offline
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    Loki
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    You called it. Swifter and more punishing than could have been expected.

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      If Cheney would have been a Democrat, leadership would have lopped off her political head a few months ago.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        And she can take her little dog with her, too...

        https://thehill.com/homenews/media/551952-meghan-mccain-promises-consequences-if-republicans-oust-cheney

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          Smart Republicans know the only way to keep the Dems from rolling them, is party unity and changing the party. Try to make further inroads with latinos, blacks and blue collar whites.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            Sen. Liz Cheney’s op-ed on the GOP and Trump:

            Liz Cheney: The GOP Is At A Turning Point. History Is Watching Us.
            https://cowboystatedaily.com/2021/05/05/liz-cheney-the-gop-is-at-a-turning-point-history-is-watching-us/

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              Sen. Liz Cheney’s op-ed on the GOP and Trump:

              Liz Cheney: The GOP Is At A Turning Point. History Is Watching Us.
              https://cowboystatedaily.com/2021/05/05/liz-cheney-the-gop-is-at-a-turning-point-history-is-watching-us/

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              @axtremus said in A little bit closer?:

              Sen. Liz Cheney’s op-ed on the GOP and Trump:

              Liz Cheney: The GOP Is At A Turning Point. History Is Watching Us.
              https://cowboystatedaily.com/2021/05/05/liz-cheney-the-gop-is-at-a-turning-point-history-is-watching-us/

              "History is watching us". Barf. Everybody to whom that phrase speaks, is a self righteous, presumptuous asshat.

              Education is extremely important.

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                I heard a GOP someone or other on NPR yesterday describing the thinking on Cheney. Only 10% of Republicans share her thinking, so how can you continue to have leadership from someone who is out of step with 90% of the party? The best quote was 'A leader with no followers is a guy taking a walk'.

                The GOP will head for Trump policies but not Trump.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  @axtremus said in A little bit closer?:

                  Sen. Liz Cheney’s op-ed on the GOP and Trump:

                  Liz Cheney: The GOP Is At A Turning Point. History Is Watching Us.
                  https://cowboystatedaily.com/2021/05/05/liz-cheney-the-gop-is-at-a-turning-point-history-is-watching-us/

                  "History is watching us". Barf. Everybody to whom that phrase speaks, is a self righteous, presumptuous asshat.

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                  @horace said in A little bit closer?:

                  @axtremus said in A little bit closer?:

                  Sen. Liz Cheney’s op-ed on the GOP and Trump:

                  Liz Cheney: The GOP Is At A Turning Point. History Is Watching Us.
                  https://cowboystatedaily.com/2021/05/05/liz-cheney-the-gop-is-at-a-turning-point-history-is-watching-us/

                  "History is watching us". Barf. Everybody to whom that phrase speaks, is a self righteous, presumptuous asshat.

                  I usually think yeah when history is written you won’t even be a footnote so settle down.

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                  • MikM Mik

                    I heard a GOP someone or other on NPR yesterday describing the thinking on Cheney. Only 10% of Republicans share her thinking, so how can you continue to have leadership from someone who is out of step with 90% of the party? The best quote was 'A leader with no followers is a guy taking a walk'.

                    The GOP will head for Trump policies but not Trump.

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                    @mik said in A little bit closer?:

                    I heard a GOP someone or other on NPR yesterday describing the thinking on Cheney. Only 10% of Republicans share her thinking, so how can you continue to have leadership from someone who is out of step with 90% of the party? The best quote was 'A leader with no followers is a guy taking a walk'.

                    The GOP will head for Trump policies but not Trump.

                    Probably.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • MikM Mik

                      I heard a GOP someone or other on NPR yesterday describing the thinking on Cheney. Only 10% of Republicans share her thinking, so how can you continue to have leadership from someone who is out of step with 90% of the party? The best quote was 'A leader with no followers is a guy taking a walk'.

                      The GOP will head for Trump policies but not Trump.

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                      @mik said in A little bit closer?:

                      I heard a GOP someone or other on NPR yesterday describing the thinking on Cheney. Only 10% of Republicans share her thinking, so how can you continue to have leadership from someone who is out of step with 90% of the party? The best quote was 'A leader with no followers is a guy taking a walk'.

                      The GOP will head for Trump policies but not Trump.

                      I dont know about that. It seems that more and more, the Republics are turning into a "cult of personality", rather than one party brought together by common policy. There was an article in the IHT about the lady from New York who will probably replace Rep. Cheney. She did not vote with President Trump very much, did not endorse him, and it has been only recently that she has been his puppy dog. But now that she is his puppy dog, she is the greatest Republic ever.

                      It seems like personality over policies wins again.

                      (But as @Jolly says, the Democrats would have done the exact same thing if it happened to them.)

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                        @mik said in A little bit closer?:

                        I heard a GOP someone or other on NPR yesterday describing the thinking on Cheney. Only 10% of Republicans share her thinking, so how can you continue to have leadership from someone who is out of step with 90% of the party? The best quote was 'A leader with no followers is a guy taking a walk'.

                        The GOP will head for Trump policies but not Trump.

                        I dont know about that. It seems that more and more, the Republics are turning into a "cult of personality", rather than one party brought together by common policy. There was an article in the IHT about the lady from New York who will probably replace Rep. Cheney. She did not vote with President Trump very much, did not endorse him, and it has been only recently that she has been his puppy dog. But now that she is his puppy dog, she is the greatest Republic ever.

                        It seems like personality over policies wins again.

                        (But as @Jolly says, the Democrats would have done the exact same thing if it happened to them.)

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                        @taiwan_girl said in A little bit closer?:

                        @mik said in A little bit closer?:

                        I heard a GOP someone or other on NPR yesterday describing the thinking on Cheney. Only 10% of Republicans share her thinking, so how can you continue to have leadership from someone who is out of step with 90% of the party? The best quote was 'A leader with no followers is a guy taking a walk'.

                        The GOP will head for Trump policies but not Trump.

                        I dont know about that. It seems that more and more, the Republics are turning into a "cult of personality", rather than one party brought together by common policy. There was an article in the IHT about the lady from New York who will probably replace Rep. Cheney. She did not vote with President Trump very much, did not endorse him, and it has been only recently that she has been his puppy dog. But now that she is his puppy dog, she is the greatest Republic ever.

                        It seems like personality over policies wins again.

                        (But as @Jolly says, the Democrats would have done the exact same thing if it happened to them.)

                        You need to wade out in the deeper water...It's not a cult of personality. In fact, many of Trump's policies can be traced back to Goldwater. So, if you're thinking a lot of this suddenly sprang up in the Trump Administration, you're dreadfully wrong.

                        As for Cheney, she had her vote of conscience. But she continued to speak out, not as an individual, but as the Number 3 person in the Republican House leadership, including using the stationary of that office for opinions that were at odds with 90% (or better) of the members she was supposed to represent.

                        At some point, you need to shut up and do your job. I don't think Stefanik is Trump's bitch any more than you are. I do think she is more liberal than many of the members she will represent.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • MikM Mik

                          I heard a GOP someone or other on NPR yesterday describing the thinking on Cheney. Only 10% of Republicans share her thinking, so how can you continue to have leadership from someone who is out of step with 90% of the party? The best quote was 'A leader with no followers is a guy taking a walk'.

                          The GOP will head for Trump policies but not Trump.

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                          @mik said in A little bit closer?:

                          I heard a GOP someone or other on NPR yesterday describing the thinking on Cheney. Only 10% of Republicans share her thinking, so how can you continue to have leadership from someone who is out of step with 90% of the party? The best quote was 'A leader with no followers is a guy taking a walk'.

                          The GOP will head for Trump policies but not Trump.

                          That is false.

                          Rep. Stefanik, the person the GOP wants to replace Rep. Cheney with, voted less consistently with Trump on policy matters than Rep. Cheney. Stefanik even voted against Trump’s 2017 tax reform. Yet here we are, the GOP is going to replace Cheney (one who voted very consistently with Trump on policy matters) with Stefanik (one who voted less consistently with Trump on policy matters) — for one reason only: Cheney says out loud that she disagrees with Trump’s claim that the 2020 election was “stolen.” Stefanik embraces Trump’s “stolen election” narrative full throttle.

                          To the extent that you say only 10% of Republicans share Cheney’s thinking, that is true only if you limit the “thinking” to Trump’s “stolen election” narrative.

                          So the claim that the GOP is policy-driven is simply not true. By and large, they are personality driven, and that personality is Trump.

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                            The message, not the messenger.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • MikM Mik

                              The message, not the messenger.

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                              @mik said in A little bit closer?:

                              The message, not the messenger.

                              The message, in this case, is personality driven, not policy driven.

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                              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                @mik said in A little bit closer?:

                                I heard a GOP someone or other on NPR yesterday describing the thinking on Cheney. Only 10% of Republicans share her thinking, so how can you continue to have leadership from someone who is out of step with 90% of the party? The best quote was 'A leader with no followers is a guy taking a walk'.

                                The GOP will head for Trump policies but not Trump.

                                That is false.

                                Rep. Stefanik, the person the GOP wants to replace Rep. Cheney with, voted less consistently with Trump on policy matters than Rep. Cheney. Stefanik even voted against Trump’s 2017 tax reform. Yet here we are, the GOP is going to replace Cheney (one who voted very consistently with Trump on policy matters) with Stefanik (one who voted less consistently with Trump on policy matters) — for one reason only: Cheney says out loud that she disagrees with Trump’s claim that the 2020 election was “stolen.” Stefanik embraces Trump’s “stolen election” narrative full throttle.

                                To the extent that you say only 10% of Republicans share Cheney’s thinking, that is true only if you limit the “thinking” to Trump’s “stolen election” narrative.

                                So the claim that the GOP is policy-driven is simply not true. By and large, they are personality driven, and that personality is Trump.

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                                @axtremus said in A little bit closer?:

                                @mik said in A little bit closer?:

                                I heard a GOP someone or other on NPR yesterday describing the thinking on Cheney. Only 10% of Republicans share her thinking, so how can you continue to have leadership from someone who is out of step with 90% of the party? The best quote was 'A leader with no followers is a guy taking a walk'.

                                The GOP will head for Trump policies but not Trump.

                                That is false.

                                Rep. Stefanik, the person the GOP wants to replace Rep. Cheney with, voted less consistently with Trump on policy matters than Rep. Cheney. Stefanik even voted against Trump’s 2017 tax reform. Yet here we are, the GOP is going to replace Cheney (one who voted very consistently with Trump on policy matters) with Stefanik (one who voted less consistently with Trump on policy matters) — for one reason only: Cheney says out loud that she disagrees with Trump’s claim that the 2020 election was “stolen.” Stefanik embraces Trump’s “stolen election” narrative full throttle.

                                To the extent that you say only 10% of Republicans share Cheney’s thinking, that is true only if you limit the “thinking” to Trump’s “stolen election” narrative.

                                So the claim that the GOP is policy-driven is simply not true. By and large, they are personality driven, and that personality is Trump.

                                Says the life-long Republican.

                                Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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