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Mik · wrote on 28 Apr 2021, 12:34

Besides that, there is preschool and then there is preschool. We paid for our daughter to go to Montessori. I seriously doubt federally financed preschools will be of nearly that quality.

Doctor Phibes · wrote on 28 Apr 2021, 12:37

I don't think giving everybody the opportunity to go to pre-school is a bad idea. Saying that it won't be as good as a private Montessori (which we also did with our two) seems a bit negative. The fact that public education isn't as good as private education isn't a valid argument for not providing public education. The question should be whether pre-school adds benefit.

89th · wrote on 28 Apr 2021, 12:43

I can get behind the preschool idea. I think it’s widely proven the massive benefits to a child’s learning and future if they simply went to preschool (and/or are read to by their parents at night).

The community college thing...Jolly is right. All that does is move the goalpost from high school graduation as the minimum expected education. More specifically, what are they not teaching in high school that suddenly they are teaching in community college, shouldn’t they just embed the curriculum in high school so kids learn it earlier?

89th · wrote on 28 Apr 2021, 12:44

Also once again all of those programs are only for lower income families and also increase disproportionately taxes on higher incomes. I laugh every time I see Biden refer to this as “this is fair”. It is literally the opposite of fair, IMO.

LuFins Dad · wrote on 28 Apr 2021, 12:45

Great! They can indoctrinate kids from 3 to 20 this way.

LuFins Dad · wrote on 28 Apr 2021, 12:58

“ It would also establish a national paid leave program that would include $4,000 a month for 12 weeks for parental, family, or personal leave.”

Uhm, per year?! I know they have been pushing for paid family leave for the birth of a new child, but what do they mean by personal leave? Also, median personal annual income is around $30K. Half the US would get a raise...

Loki · 28 Apr 2021, 14:48

Why can’t everything be free and everyone equal?

Aqua Letifer · 28 Apr 2021, 14:18

@mik said in Free, it's all free at last!:

I'd be more excited if it were trade schools.

Same.

LuFins Dad · wrote on 28 Apr 2021, 14:18

@aqua-letifer said in Free, it's all free at last!:

@mik said in Free, it's all free at last!:

I'd be more excited if it were trade schools.

Same.

I tried to talk Lucas into pursuing Elevator and Escalator Installation and Repair. At 85K Median, it is clearly a step above most careers, and the top 10% make over $120K. That is a very high ceiling!

Copper · wrote on 28 Apr 2021, 14:40

As long as they are conservative schools I am OK with it

If they are liberal schools, forget it

mark · 28 Apr 2021, 14:58

@loki said in Free, it's all free at last!:

Why can’t everything be free and everyone equal?

Do you mean to boldly go, where no one has gone before?

Automation is the key to this. Automation, the replicator and the transporter will free humans from the shackles of tedious work that nobody likes, or even wants to do.

Everyone would be free to pursue whatever it is they want to pursue instead of settling on a state of existence because that is what we have always done.

Think different! lmao

Doctor Phibes · M mark 28 Apr 2021, 14:48

@mark said in Free, it's all free at last!:

@loki said in Free, it's all free at last!:

Why can’t everything be free and everyone equal?

Do you mean to boldly go, where no one has gone before?

Automation is the key to this. Automation, the replicator and the transporter will free humans from the shackles of tedious work that nobody likes, or even wants to do.

Everyone would be free to pursue whatever it is they want to pursue instead of settling on a state of existence because that is what we have always done.

Think different! lmao

I'm still waiting for all that extra leisure time we were promised in the 1970's.

taiwan_girl · wrote on 30 Apr 2021, 14:05

I agree with @89th that preschool provides lots of benefits for kids. The problem is that you need to continue with the quality education throughout school. Otherwise anything that has benefit from preschool will be lost by grade 3 or four.

I also think that we (in general) have to think of the globe. The time of being a low skilled worker in the US and making money you can live with and raise a family, is no longer here.

China is an example of a country that is currently starting to struggle with it. As standards increase, you need to increase the knowledge and technology of the workers.

Maybe that is trade school, maybe junior college, but if you stop at high school, it mainly is not enough in the US in today’s world.

I have seen it happening in 3rd world countries that are moving upward.

taiwan_girl · 30 Apr 2021, 18:26

I agree with @89th that preschool provides lots of benefits for kids. The problem is that you need to continue with the quality education throughout school. Otherwise anything that has benefit from preschool will be lost by grade 3 or four.

I also think that we (in general) have to think of the globe. The time of being a low skilled worker in the US and making money you can live with and raise a family, is no longer here.

China is an example of a country that is currently starting to struggle with it. As standards increase, you need to increase the knowledge and technology of the workers.

Maybe that is trade school, maybe junior college, but if you stop at high school, it mainly is not enough in the US in today’s world.

I have seen it happening in 3rd world countries that are moving upward.

Jolly · wrote on 30 Apr 2021, 18:26

@taiwan_girl said in Free, it's all free at last!:

I agree with @89th that preschool provides lots of benefits for kids. The problem is that you need to continue with the quality education throughout school. Otherwise anything that has benefit from preschool will be lost by grade 3 or four.

I also think that we (in general) have to think of the globe. The time of being a low skilled worker in the US and making money you can live with and raise a family, is no longer here.

China is an example of a country that is currently starting to struggle with it. As standards increase, you need to increase the knowledge and technology of the workers.

Maybe that is trade school, maybe junior college, but if you stop at high school, it mainly is not enough in the US in today’s world.

I have seen it happening in 3rd world countries that are moving upward.

Education is overrated. Training is not. Best example of that, is the IT world. Best example of over -educated people is in...Education.

taiwan_girl · wrote on 2 May 2021, 02:28

I am not sure that overrated is correct. I believe that the main point of school is teaching you how to think.

Having been around people and worked with people with very little education, there is a bit of "how to think" that is missing.

Some of these people are quite smart, but I believe that there is a limit to what they can do due to the lack of education - I think that because they only went to school for a short time, they are "lack" how to think and approach problems.

Of course there are always exceptions, and there are certain jobs that they can do, and can do them very well. But there limit is much lower than someone who has finished school.

And really, isn't training another word for education?

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