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Mr. Biden has been warned.

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  • CopperC Offline
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    #1

    I'm sure Mr. Biden will take care of these problems.

    https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/04/russia-china-warn-biden-at-same-time-to-stay-out-of-ukraine-taiwan/?fbclid=IwAR3xgk6UdUxXO18mlreLLRnpUHSlFYZZYyzkxM-9qOQaPSRsgNigZo8cR80

    Russia, China warn Biden at same time to stay out of Ukraine, Taiwan

    On Tuesday, Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov warned President Joe Biden’s administration against getting involved in Ukraine, amid Russian forces massing on the Ukrainian border. Also on Tuesday, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian warned the Biden administration against getting involved in Taiwan.

    According to Reuters, Russia’s Ryabkov said “The United States is our adversary and does everything it can to undermine Russia’s position on the world stage. We do not see any other elements in their approach. Those are our conclusions.”

    Ryabkov went on to say, “We warn the United States that it will be better for them to stay far away from Crimea and our Black Sea coast. It will be for their own good.”

    On the same day Ryabkov warned the U.S. and other NATO nations against supporting Ukraine, China’s Zhao warned the U.S. against “playing with fire” by interacting with Taiwan.

    “The Taiwan question concerns China’s sovereignty, territorial integrity and core interests. There is zero room for compromise and not an inch to give,” Zhao said during a Tuesday press conference. “We urge the U.S. side to grasp the situation, earnestly abide by the one-China principle and the three China-US joint communiqués, refrain from playing with fire, immediately stop official contact with Taiwan in any form, prudently and properly handle Taiwan-related issues, and avoid sending any wrong signals to the ‘Taiwan independence’ forces, lest it should shake the foundation of China-US relations and peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait.”

    While Taiwan governs itself as an independent nation, China maintains a sovereignty claim over the island and the U.S. has recognized China’s sovereignty claim through the One-China policy, though U.S. administrations have had informal interactions with Taiwanese officials.

    In December, Russia and China announced a new pact strengthening their strategic partnership, and the timing of Russia and China’s warnings to the U.S. on Tuesday is a sign of their shared interests.

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    • MikM Offline
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      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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      • RainmanR Offline
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        Rainman
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        #3

        Good picture, Mik.
        Sums it up.

        And, it is all expected. President Biden, this is your first real test.
        hmmmm. Why didn't this happen when Trump was president?

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          Loki
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          #4

          Cancelculture and even our MSM cannot make these challenges go away. It’s going to be very frustrating for those folks.

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          • RainmanR Rainman

            Good picture, Mik.
            Sums it up.

            And, it is all expected. President Biden, this is your first real test.
            hmmmm. Why didn't this happen when Trump was president?

            JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
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            @rainman said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

            Good picture, Mik.
            Sums it up.

            And, it is all expected. President Biden, this is your first real test.
            hmmmm. Why didn't this happen when Trump was president?

            Because they were worried about what Trump might actually do...

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
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              #6

              Putin would be rattling this sabre at this time regardless of who is sitting in the White House.

              Elbows up!

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              • RenaudaR Renauda

                Putin would be rattling this sabre at this time regardless of who is sitting in the White House.

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                Rainman
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                #7

                @renauda said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                Putin would be rattling this sabre at this time regardless of who is sitting in the White House.

                I wonder what Putin thinks about dealing with Trump vs. dealing with Biden, and what he expects the respective responses would be?

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                • RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                  #8

                  Who cares? Besides, no one will get into Putin's mind.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • RainmanR Offline
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                    Rainman
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                    Sigh. . . and it's too late to get into Biden's mind.

                    But Renauda, I care. So, that's one. First stop, Ukraine, next stop, Baltic States. Next stop, no NATO, final stop, no Taiwan. But, lots of summit meetings and saber paper rattling.

                    Frankly, everyone should care.

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                    • RainmanR Rainman

                      Sigh. . . and it's too late to get into Biden's mind.

                      But Renauda, I care. So, that's one. First stop, Ukraine, next stop, Baltic States. Next stop, no NATO, final stop, no Taiwan. But, lots of summit meetings and saber paper rattling.

                      Frankly, everyone should care.

                      RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                      #10

                      @rainman

                      If you care, then stop conflating the Baltics with Ukraine. The Baltics are not on Putin's menu now and nor will they be in the foreseeable future. They are of no consequence to Moscow any longer.

                      Ukraine however is an entirely different animal. There is much more to this festering conflict than meets the eye or ends up discussed in the popular media. Have a read of these two commentaries which, I might add, are much closer to the reality what is actually going on between Russia and Ukraine:

                      https://carnegie.ru/commentary/84250

                      https://carnegie.ru/commentary/84308

                      Elbows up!

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Thanks, Renauda. I will bookmark that site. We never, ever get any coverage nearly that in depth.

                        Hell, we don't get coverage that in depth about the US.

                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                          Good read, thanks Renauda!

                          Found a couple of interesting things to quote:
                          "He announced the formation of the “Crimean platform,” which is supposed to keep international attention on the fate of the peninsula. The Ukrainian president also presented the country’s new security strategy, which reiterates the aspiration to join NATO"

                          Join NATO? Sure. /sarc

                          and. . .
                          "Russian officials have repeatedly stated the country’s readiness to protect the self-proclaimed republics."
                          I wonder what "protect" means.

                          I'm a little suspiscious of the carnegie.ru site. When I was in grad school, Carnegie was a huge, wonderful source, but most definitely left-wing overall. We didn't mind, since everyone cited Carnegie and everyone was more left-wing than the general public.

                          Thanks for the links, I'll read the second article later.

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                          • RainmanR Rainman

                            Good read, thanks Renauda!

                            Found a couple of interesting things to quote:
                            "He announced the formation of the “Crimean platform,” which is supposed to keep international attention on the fate of the peninsula. The Ukrainian president also presented the country’s new security strategy, which reiterates the aspiration to join NATO"

                            Join NATO? Sure. /sarc

                            and. . .
                            "Russian officials have repeatedly stated the country’s readiness to protect the self-proclaimed republics."
                            I wonder what "protect" means.

                            I'm a little suspiscious of the carnegie.ru site. When I was in grad school, Carnegie was a huge, wonderful source, but most definitely left-wing overall. We didn't mind, since everyone cited Carnegie and everyone was more left-wing than the general public.

                            Thanks for the links, I'll read the second article later.

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by Renauda
                            #13

                            @rainman

                            Obviously I do not at all share your suspicions regarding Carnegie. What is left-wing to you is probably middle of the road or moderately liberal to me.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              @rainman

                              Obviously I do not at all share your suspicions regarding Carnegie. What is left-wing to you is probably middle of the road or moderately liberal to me.

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                              @renauda said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                              @rainman

                              Obviously I do not at all share your suspicions regarding Carnegie. What is left-wing to you is probably middle of the road or moderately liberal to me.

                              Fair enough!

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                @rainman said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                                Good picture, Mik.
                                Sums it up.

                                And, it is all expected. President Biden, this is your first real test.
                                hmmmm. Why didn't this happen when Trump was president?

                                Because they were worried about what Trump might actually do...

                                taiwan_girlT Online
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                                taiwan_girl
                                wrote on last edited by
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                                @jolly said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                                @rainman said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                                Good picture, Mik.
                                Sums it up.

                                And, it is all expected. President Biden, this is your first real test.
                                hmmmm. Why didn't this happen when Trump was president?

                                Because they were worried about what Trump might actually do...

                                What do you think President Trump would have done?

                                Or mother question, if he were still in office, what things would have done that have (or have not) been done by President Biden?

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                                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                  @jolly said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                                  @rainman said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                                  Good picture, Mik.
                                  Sums it up.

                                  And, it is all expected. President Biden, this is your first real test.
                                  hmmmm. Why didn't this happen when Trump was president?

                                  Because they were worried about what Trump might actually do...

                                  What do you think President Trump would have done?

                                  Or mother question, if he were still in office, what things would have done that have (or have not) been done by President Biden?

                                  JollyJ Offline
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                                  @taiwan_girl said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                                  @jolly said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                                  @rainman said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                                  Good picture, Mik.
                                  Sums it up.

                                  And, it is all expected. President Biden, this is your first real test.
                                  hmmmm. Why didn't this happen when Trump was president?

                                  Because they were worried about what Trump might actually do...

                                  What do you think President Trump would have done?

                                  Or mother question, if he were still in office, what things would have done that have (or have not) been done by President Biden?

                                  You tell me what Trump would have done.

                                  You can't.

                                  Neither can they.

                                  And that's the point, isn't it?

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                                  RenaudaR 1 Reply Last reply
                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    @taiwan_girl said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                                    @jolly said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                                    @rainman said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                                    Good picture, Mik.
                                    Sums it up.

                                    And, it is all expected. President Biden, this is your first real test.
                                    hmmmm. Why didn't this happen when Trump was president?

                                    Because they were worried about what Trump might actually do...

                                    What do you think President Trump would have done?

                                    Or mother question, if he were still in office, what things would have done that have (or have not) been done by President Biden?

                                    You tell me what Trump would have done.

                                    You can't.

                                    Neither can they.

                                    And that's the point, isn't it?

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
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                                    @jolly

                                    I doubt that Trump's infamous unpredictability acted to moderate or as a credible deterrent to Putin's policies in Ukraine or Syria.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                                      @jolly

                                      I doubt that Trump's infamous unpredictability acted to moderate or as a credible deterrent to Putin's policies in Ukraine or Syria.

                                      JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
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                                      @renauda said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                                      @jolly

                                      I doubt that Trump's infamous unpredictability acted to moderate or as a credible deterrent to Putin's policies in Ukraine or Syria.

                                      I don't know.

                                      I think I would have been wary, if I was Putin.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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