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Mr. Biden has been warned.

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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
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    #6

    Putin would be rattling this sabre at this time regardless of who is sitting in the White House.

    Elbows up!

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    • RenaudaR Renauda

      Putin would be rattling this sabre at this time regardless of who is sitting in the White House.

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      Rainman
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      #7

      @renauda said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

      Putin would be rattling this sabre at this time regardless of who is sitting in the White House.

      I wonder what Putin thinks about dealing with Trump vs. dealing with Biden, and what he expects the respective responses would be?

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
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        #8

        Who cares? Besides, no one will get into Putin's mind.

        Elbows up!

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          Rainman
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          #9

          Sigh. . . and it's too late to get into Biden's mind.

          But Renauda, I care. So, that's one. First stop, Ukraine, next stop, Baltic States. Next stop, no NATO, final stop, no Taiwan. But, lots of summit meetings and saber paper rattling.

          Frankly, everyone should care.

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          • RainmanR Rainman

            Sigh. . . and it's too late to get into Biden's mind.

            But Renauda, I care. So, that's one. First stop, Ukraine, next stop, Baltic States. Next stop, no NATO, final stop, no Taiwan. But, lots of summit meetings and saber paper rattling.

            Frankly, everyone should care.

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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #10

            @rainman

            If you care, then stop conflating the Baltics with Ukraine. The Baltics are not on Putin's menu now and nor will they be in the foreseeable future. They are of no consequence to Moscow any longer.

            Ukraine however is an entirely different animal. There is much more to this festering conflict than meets the eye or ends up discussed in the popular media. Have a read of these two commentaries which, I might add, are much closer to the reality what is actually going on between Russia and Ukraine:

            https://carnegie.ru/commentary/84250

            https://carnegie.ru/commentary/84308

            Elbows up!

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            • MikM Away
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              Mik
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              #11

              Thanks, Renauda. I will bookmark that site. We never, ever get any coverage nearly that in depth.

              Hell, we don't get coverage that in depth about the US.

              "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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              • RainmanR Offline
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                #12

                Good read, thanks Renauda!

                Found a couple of interesting things to quote:
                "He announced the formation of the “Crimean platform,” which is supposed to keep international attention on the fate of the peninsula. The Ukrainian president also presented the country’s new security strategy, which reiterates the aspiration to join NATO"

                Join NATO? Sure. /sarc

                and. . .
                "Russian officials have repeatedly stated the country’s readiness to protect the self-proclaimed republics."
                I wonder what "protect" means.

                I'm a little suspiscious of the carnegie.ru site. When I was in grad school, Carnegie was a huge, wonderful source, but most definitely left-wing overall. We didn't mind, since everyone cited Carnegie and everyone was more left-wing than the general public.

                Thanks for the links, I'll read the second article later.

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                • RainmanR Rainman

                  Good read, thanks Renauda!

                  Found a couple of interesting things to quote:
                  "He announced the formation of the “Crimean platform,” which is supposed to keep international attention on the fate of the peninsula. The Ukrainian president also presented the country’s new security strategy, which reiterates the aspiration to join NATO"

                  Join NATO? Sure. /sarc

                  and. . .
                  "Russian officials have repeatedly stated the country’s readiness to protect the self-proclaimed republics."
                  I wonder what "protect" means.

                  I'm a little suspiscious of the carnegie.ru site. When I was in grad school, Carnegie was a huge, wonderful source, but most definitely left-wing overall. We didn't mind, since everyone cited Carnegie and everyone was more left-wing than the general public.

                  Thanks for the links, I'll read the second article later.

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                  #13

                  @rainman

                  Obviously I do not at all share your suspicions regarding Carnegie. What is left-wing to you is probably middle of the road or moderately liberal to me.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                    @rainman

                    Obviously I do not at all share your suspicions regarding Carnegie. What is left-wing to you is probably middle of the road or moderately liberal to me.

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                    @renauda said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                    @rainman

                    Obviously I do not at all share your suspicions regarding Carnegie. What is left-wing to you is probably middle of the road or moderately liberal to me.

                    Fair enough!

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @rainman said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                      Good picture, Mik.
                      Sums it up.

                      And, it is all expected. President Biden, this is your first real test.
                      hmmmm. Why didn't this happen when Trump was president?

                      Because they were worried about what Trump might actually do...

                      taiwan_girlT Offline
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                      @jolly said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                      @rainman said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                      Good picture, Mik.
                      Sums it up.

                      And, it is all expected. President Biden, this is your first real test.
                      hmmmm. Why didn't this happen when Trump was president?

                      Because they were worried about what Trump might actually do...

                      What do you think President Trump would have done?

                      Or mother question, if he were still in office, what things would have done that have (or have not) been done by President Biden?

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                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                        @jolly said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                        @rainman said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                        Good picture, Mik.
                        Sums it up.

                        And, it is all expected. President Biden, this is your first real test.
                        hmmmm. Why didn't this happen when Trump was president?

                        Because they were worried about what Trump might actually do...

                        What do you think President Trump would have done?

                        Or mother question, if he were still in office, what things would have done that have (or have not) been done by President Biden?

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                        @taiwan_girl said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                        @jolly said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                        @rainman said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                        Good picture, Mik.
                        Sums it up.

                        And, it is all expected. President Biden, this is your first real test.
                        hmmmm. Why didn't this happen when Trump was president?

                        Because they were worried about what Trump might actually do...

                        What do you think President Trump would have done?

                        Or mother question, if he were still in office, what things would have done that have (or have not) been done by President Biden?

                        You tell me what Trump would have done.

                        You can't.

                        Neither can they.

                        And that's the point, isn't it?

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          @taiwan_girl said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                          @jolly said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                          @rainman said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                          Good picture, Mik.
                          Sums it up.

                          And, it is all expected. President Biden, this is your first real test.
                          hmmmm. Why didn't this happen when Trump was president?

                          Because they were worried about what Trump might actually do...

                          What do you think President Trump would have done?

                          Or mother question, if he were still in office, what things would have done that have (or have not) been done by President Biden?

                          You tell me what Trump would have done.

                          You can't.

                          Neither can they.

                          And that's the point, isn't it?

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                          #17

                          @jolly

                          I doubt that Trump's infamous unpredictability acted to moderate or as a credible deterrent to Putin's policies in Ukraine or Syria.

                          Elbows up!

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                          • RenaudaR Renauda

                            @jolly

                            I doubt that Trump's infamous unpredictability acted to moderate or as a credible deterrent to Putin's policies in Ukraine or Syria.

                            JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #18

                            @renauda said in Mr. Biden has been warned.:

                            @jolly

                            I doubt that Trump's infamous unpredictability acted to moderate or as a credible deterrent to Putin's policies in Ukraine or Syria.

                            I don't know.

                            I think I would have been wary, if I was Putin.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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