Cause of death
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wrote on 8 Apr 2021, 00:53 last edited by George K 4 Aug 2021, 01:01
No one trampled to death. One person shot and killed. One OD, two "natural causes."
Two civilians who died during the violent Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol died of natural causes, and a third succumbed to amphetamine intoxication, according to the D.C. medical examiner’s office.
A fourth person, 35-year-old Ashli Babbitt, who was fatally shot by a Capitol police officer inside the Capitol, was struck by a bullet to her front left shoulder, the medical examiner said in a statement.
The cause of death for a fifth person, Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick, who collapsed after confronting rioters and died Jan. 7, remains pending. Two people have been charged with assaulting Sicknick by spraying him with a chemical irritant.
So, as far as we know, of the 5 people who were, allegedly, "killed," it looks like only one was "killed." And that one was by a police officer.
Well, we still don't know about Sicknick's death, for some reason. He could be a second person "killed."
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wrote on 8 Apr 2021, 01:03 last edited by
Doesn't fit the narrative.
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wrote on 8 Apr 2021, 01:26 last edited by
A deadly insurrection!
or Doofuss selfies
You decide.
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wrote on 8 Apr 2021, 01:28 last edited by
I recall actually have only hear that of the people that died, only one was shot, and maybe the police man was killed by an unnatural way. The others, I always thought died of heart attack, etc. I never did think that everybody was murdered by guns or other ways.
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I recall actually have only hear that of the people that died, only one was shot, and maybe the police man was killed by an unnatural way. The others, I always thought died of heart attack, etc. I never did think that everybody was murdered by guns or other ways.
wrote on 8 Apr 2021, 01:32 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Cause of death:
I recall actually have only hear that of the people that died, only one was shot, and maybe the police man was killed by an unnatural way. The others, I always thought died of heart attack, etc. I never did think that everybody was murdered by guns or other ways.
Yes, the woman who was shot is ruled a homicide (no criminality implied). But the narrative we heard for more than a month was about how these people were "killed" by the insurrection.
"Killed" was all over the media. Google it.
Today's report refutes that narrative. One shot and killed, one overdose, two of natural causes.
And one...still not released.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying, by any means, what happened. I'm condemning how our media portrayed the deaths. It was a lie. A bald-faced lie.
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@taiwan_girl said in Cause of death:
I recall actually have only hear that of the people that died, only one was shot, and maybe the police man was killed by an unnatural way. The others, I always thought died of heart attack, etc. I never did think that everybody was murdered by guns or other ways.
Yes, the woman who was shot is ruled a homicide (no criminality implied). But the narrative we heard for more than a month was about how these people were "killed" by the insurrection.
"Killed" was all over the media. Google it.
Today's report refutes that narrative. One shot and killed, one overdose, two of natural causes.
And one...still not released.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying, by any means, what happened. I'm condemning how our media portrayed the deaths. It was a lie. A bald-faced lie.
wrote on 8 Apr 2021, 01:39 last edited by@george-k said in Cause of death:
I'm condemning how our media portrayed the deaths. It was a lie. A bald-faced lie.
Even worse, everyone knows this.
Especially the lying media.
The lie is OK if it serves the approved message.
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@taiwan_girl said in Cause of death:
I recall actually have only hear that of the people that died, only one was shot, and maybe the police man was killed by an unnatural way. The others, I always thought died of heart attack, etc. I never did think that everybody was murdered by guns or other ways.
Yes, the woman who was shot is ruled a homicide (no criminality implied). But the narrative we heard for more than a month was about how these people were "killed" by the insurrection.
"Killed" was all over the media. Google it.
Today's report refutes that narrative. One shot and killed, one overdose, two of natural causes.
And one...still not released.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying, by any means, what happened. I'm condemning how our media portrayed the deaths. It was a lie. A bald-faced lie.
wrote on 8 Apr 2021, 01:45 last edited by@george-k said in Cause of death:
two of natural causes.
Are those two very old? What the odds that two people naturally died on Capitol grounds on Jan.6 during the protest?
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@george-k said in Cause of death:
two of natural causes.
Are those two very old? What the odds that two people naturally died on Capitol grounds on Jan.6 during the protest?
wrote on 8 Apr 2021, 01:47 last edited by George K 4 Aug 2021, 01:48@axtremus said in Cause of death:
Are those two very old?
I didn't look.
What the odds that two people naturally died on Capitol grounds on Jan.6 during the protest?
I'm not a statistician. All I know is what the coroner said: "Natural causes." Do you have insights to dispute his findings? If so, please share.
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@george-k said in Cause of death:
two of natural causes.
Are those two very old? What the odds that two people naturally died on Capitol grounds on Jan.6 during the protest?
wrote on 8 Apr 2021, 01:58 last edited by@axtremus said in Cause of death:
@george-k said in Cause of death:
two of natural causes.
Are those two very old? What the odds that two people naturally died on Capitol grounds on Jan.6 during the protest?
100%
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@axtremus said in Cause of death:
Are those two very old?
I didn't look.
What the odds that two people naturally died on Capitol grounds on Jan.6 during the protest?
I'm not a statistician. All I know is what the coroner said: "Natural causes." Do you have insights to dispute his findings? If so, please share.
wrote on 8 Apr 2021, 02:13 last edited by@george-k said in Cause of death:
All I know is what the coroner said: "Natural causes." Do you have insights to dispute his findings? If so, please share.
My insight is this: To the extent that neither actual causes nor any further detail is provided, it remains plausible that the “natural cause” classifications are merely a consequence of the coroner’s inability to pin point a tangible external cause of death. When I see “death by natural causes” in a protest, it’s like seeing “death by natural causes” of someone in captivity or in a controlled environment — without more details (e.g., age, preexisting conditions, aggravating factors or lack thereof), one ought to retain same modicum of suspicion.
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@taiwan_girl said in Cause of death:
I recall actually have only hear that of the people that died, only one was shot, and maybe the police man was killed by an unnatural way. The others, I always thought died of heart attack, etc. I never did think that everybody was murdered by guns or other ways.
Yes, the woman who was shot is ruled a homicide (no criminality implied). But the narrative we heard for more than a month was about how these people were "killed" by the insurrection.
"Killed" was all over the media. Google it.
Today's report refutes that narrative. One shot and killed, one overdose, two of natural causes.
And one...still not released.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying, by any means, what happened. I'm condemning how our media portrayed the deaths. It was a lie. A bald-faced lie.
wrote on 8 Apr 2021, 02:52 last edited by@george-k It is kind of like when there is an extreme heat.
The news says that XX people were killed by the extreme heat.
Well, technically, they probably died of something else, but the extreme heat was the "killer" for them.
Obviously, we cannot say if those 3 people would not have died on January 6 if they were not in Washington DC, but it is probably that they would not have. So, I dont think it is completely wrong to say that they died or were killed by the riot.
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wrote on 8 Apr 2021, 15:32 last edited by
It is completely wrong to say that they died or were killed by the riot.
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wrote on 8 Apr 2021, 21:25 last edited by
Maybe some died of broken hearts by seeing the country they love being stolen away?
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wrote on 9 Apr 2021, 02:18 last edited by
@copper said in Cause of death:
It is completely wrong to say that they died or were killed by the riot.
Why?
If someone is in the military and at the battlefield with the enemy, and they have a heart attack and die, did they die in combat?
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@george-k said in Cause of death:
All I know is what the coroner said: "Natural causes." Do you have insights to dispute his findings? If so, please share.
My insight is this: To the extent that neither actual causes nor any further detail is provided, it remains plausible that the “natural cause” classifications are merely a consequence of the coroner’s inability to pin point a tangible external cause of death. When I see “death by natural causes” in a protest, it’s like seeing “death by natural causes” of someone in captivity or in a controlled environment — without more details (e.g., age, preexisting conditions, aggravating factors or lack thereof), one ought to retain same modicum of suspicion.
wrote on 9 Apr 2021, 02:48 last edited by@axtremus said in Cause of death:
@george-k said in Cause of death:
All I know is what the coroner said: "Natural causes." Do you have insights to dispute his findings? If so, please share.
My insight is this: To the extent that neither actual causes nor any further detail is provided, it remains plausible that the “natural cause” classifications are merely a consequence of the coroner’s inability to pin point a tangible external cause of death. When I see “death by natural causes” in a protest, it’s like seeing “death by natural causes” of someone in captivity or in a controlled environment — without more details (e.g., age, preexisting conditions, aggravating factors or lack thereof), one ought to retain same modicum of suspicion.
Well, your insight is wrong.
Died of natural causes means there was no external force or factor which caused the death. For example, if a protester with stenosis of the coronary arteries became so agitated they had a MI and died, it would be due to heart disease, which would be a natural cause.
OTOH, the protester shot in the Capitol would be a homicide.
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@copper said in Cause of death:
It is completely wrong to say that they died or were killed by the riot.
Why?
If someone is in the military and at the battlefield with the enemy, and they have a heart attack and die, did they die in combat?
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wrote on 11 Apr 2021, 01:38 last edited by
@copper said in Cause of death:
@taiwan_girl said in Cause of death:
Why?
Because they weren't.
So, it the military wrong in how they classify deaths on the battlefield?
(for example, if some has a heart attack while fighting in battle, it is a "combat death". )
Should that be classify as "non combat?"
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@axtremus said in Cause of death:
@george-k said in Cause of death:
All I know is what the coroner said: "Natural causes." Do you have insights to dispute his findings? If so, please share.
My insight is this: To the extent that neither actual causes nor any further detail is provided, it remains plausible that the “natural cause” classifications are merely a consequence of the coroner’s inability to pin point a tangible external cause of death. When I see “death by natural causes” in a protest, it’s like seeing “death by natural causes” of someone in captivity or in a controlled environment — without more details (e.g., age, preexisting conditions, aggravating factors or lack thereof), one ought to retain same modicum of suspicion.
Well, your insight is wrong.
Died of natural causes means there was no external force or factor which caused the death. For example, if a protester with stenosis of the coronary arteries became so agitated they had a MI and died, it would be due to heart disease, which would be a natural cause.
OTOH, the protester shot in the Capitol would be a homicide.
wrote on 11 Apr 2021, 01:40 last edited by Aqua Letifer 4 Nov 2021, 01:40@jolly said in Cause of death:
OTOH, the protester shot in the Capitol would be a homicide.
Don't trespass on Capitol property and try to commit B&E, don't get shot.
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@jolly said in Cause of death:
OTOH, the protester shot in the Capitol would be a homicide.
Don't trespass on Capitol property and try to commit B&E, don't get shot.
wrote on 11 Apr 2021, 02:28 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Cause of death:
@jolly said in Cause of death:
OTOH, the protester shot in the Capitol would be a homicide.
Don't trespass on Capitol property and try to commit B&E, don't get shot.
It's still a homicide.
Put the shoe on the other foot...Would your comment be the same if BLM had committed B&E at the Capitol in 2015 and a black woman had been shot and killed?
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@aqua-letifer said in Cause of death:
@jolly said in Cause of death:
OTOH, the protester shot in the Capitol would be a homicide.
Don't trespass on Capitol property and try to commit B&E, don't get shot.
It's still a homicide.
Put the shoe on the other foot...Would your comment be the same if BLM had committed B&E at the Capitol in 2015 and a black woman had been shot and killed?
wrote on 11 Apr 2021, 02:42 last edited by@jolly said in Cause of death:
It's still a homicide.
Put the shoe on the other foot...Would your comment be the same if BLM had committed B&E at the Capitol in 2015 and a black woman had been shot and killed?Really? You're asking me that, are you serious?