Vaccination etiquette question
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If it were me, I'd say yeah, require vaccinations. For a handful of reasons:
- It'd make it safer overall for everyone else who attends.
- It'd make it safer for the anti-vaxxers, too, even if they can't see it that way.
- You all are in a higher-risk category.
- Look, can we make a distinction here between respecting others' personal decisions, and acknowledging that those personal choices can also be insane? They're keeping themselves at higher risk. They're increasing risk for everyone around them. You're allowed to do and believe what you want up to the point of placing others' health at risk, and that's what they'd be doing. Therefore, you're within your rights to make a call.
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So our ukulele singing group is starting back up in person tonight, for those who are vaccinated, and that is a perfectly reasonable requirement at this moment in time. So offering to organize a get together, as long as those attend have been vaccinated is a valid request, Since we are still in the midst of a pandemic. You can reevaluate, and maybe have a regular reunion next year, when there is more information about all of this.
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You’re right in making it a group decision. And @jodi brought up an important point about this being an at this time decision.Things may look very different in just a few weeks.
I do wonder though about some people’s anger and fear though.
The Brad
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@axtremus said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Why in God's name would I allow a relatively disinterested party to make that decision?
Because you make use of that party’s property, they get to make the rule. Your decision is whether you want to make use of that party’s property. If you want complete control, host it on your own property.
Not nuanced. Not helpful, but not nuanced.
@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Not nuanced. Not helpful, but not nuanced.
Competing t-shirts.
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@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Not nuanced. Not helpful, but not nuanced.
Competing t-shirts.
@doctor-phibes said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Not nuanced. Not helpful, but not nuanced.
Competing t-shirts.
We are missing a great opportunity.
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You’re right in making it a group decision. And @jodi brought up an important point about this being an at this time decision.Things may look very different in just a few weeks.
I do wonder though about some people’s anger and fear though.
@lufins-dad said in Vaccination etiquette question:
I do wonder though about some people’s anger and fear though.
There's plenty of anger and fear on both sides. If you read the kind of rubbish some (but not all) anti-vaccers come out with, and have been coming out with, it gets pretty scary.
First - the disease isn't all that serious. I know this guy who knows somebody who had it and he's actually healthier now. It's nothing. The nurses were all partying in the hospitals because they had nothing to do once they were locked down (I actually saw that claim about a year ago, with an accompanying video). More people are dying from the vaccination than from the disease.
I think getting angry with this kind of rubbish is a perfectly reasonable reaction.
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The anger seems to be coming from both sides. I know several people who ridicule the vaccinated as sheep/lemmings/drones. The one who first brought it up is particularly derisive on the subject. But she lives in Texas and won't be coming anyway, so I suppose she just brought it up to get on her high horse. She has a lot of health problems, so I hope the horse doesn't kill her.
But yeah, at this time is important to remember.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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The anger seems to be coming from both sides. I know several people who ridicule the vaccinated as sheep/lemmings/drones. The one who first brought it up is particularly derisive on the subject. But she lives in Texas and won't be coming anyway, so I suppose she just brought it up to get on her high horse. She has a lot of health problems, so I hope the horse doesn't kill her.
But yeah, at this time is important to remember.
@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:
I know several people who ridicule the vaccinated as sheep/lemmings/drones. The one who first brought it up is particularly derisive on the subject.
Can you just disinvite that person on account of being an insufferable ass?
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If you are willing to go if everyone in the group is vaccinated, you are saying that you trust the vaccine to protect you.
If you then say that you will not go with unvaccinated people then you are saying you do not trust the vaccine.
Trust it or don't trust it.
The logic fails if you don't.
If you base the decision on an assumption that the vaccine helps, but isn't perfect, then at what point does it become an acceptable risk? Without real numbers (which don't exist) the decision is purely emotional.
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If you are willing to go if everyone in the group is vaccinated, you are saying that you trust the vaccine to protect you.
If you then say that you will not go with unvaccinated people then you are saying you do not trust the vaccine.
Trust it or don't trust it.
The logic fails if you don't.
If you base the decision on an assumption that the vaccine helps, but isn't perfect, then at what point does it become an acceptable risk? Without real numbers (which don't exist) the decision is purely emotional.
@copper I like your logic. But there's another factor. Meeting with vaccinated people vs. non-vaccinated alters the degree of desire he's experiencing to see the people. Maybe he's playing the odds -- taking a chance that having the vaccine on board lessens his likelihood of getting sick enough that he's willing to risk it.
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The anger seems to be coming from both sides. I know several people who ridicule the vaccinated as sheep/lemmings/drones. The one who first brought it up is particularly derisive on the subject. But she lives in Texas and won't be coming anyway, so I suppose she just brought it up to get on her high horse. She has a lot of health problems, so I hope the horse doesn't kill her.
But yeah, at this time is important to remember.
@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:
I know several people who ridicule the vaccinated as sheep/lemmings/drones.
At the risk of being Ax, you could point out that lemmings have been completely unfairly represented in the media for decades based on a very bad wildlife documentary, and drones are used to bomb the shit out of bad people by 'murrica! You can say what you like about sheep of course, but if you want to keep it clean, mention that Jesus was called the lamb of God.
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Reading this thread I see why the GOP is losing the collar counties on big cities.
Suburban GOP voters are going bye bye.
@loki said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Reading this thread I see why the GOP is losing the collar counties on big cities.
Suburban GOP voters are going bye bye.
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@loki said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Reading this thread I see why the GOP is losing the collar counties on big cities.
Suburban GOP voters are going bye bye.
@lufins-dad said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@loki said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Reading this thread I see why the GOP is losing the collar counties on big cities.
Suburban GOP voters are going bye bye.
Check out the latest Gallup poll on party identification. It has a long track record.
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Have you missed the part where Copper is a retired white collar worker that lived in the burbs before retiring? Have you missed the fact that he has been vaccinated?
Have you missed the part where Horace is a white collar worker living in an extremely urban area?
Have you missed the part where I would generally be considered white collar, live in the burbs, and am planning on being vaccinated as well?
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Well, that's three of you against the massed ranks of something-or-other.
Galluping towards liberalism!
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No brainer.
Let the group vote. If they vote for everybody to attend, insist on some basic infection control stuff...
- Temp checks at the door.
- Social distancing, as much as possible.
- No buffet.
- Masking, as much as possible.
- Frequent hand sanitization.
At this time next year, there exists a likelihood one of your class will be dead. How bad do y'all want to see each other?
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Have you missed the part where Copper is a retired white collar worker that lived in the burbs before retiring? Have you missed the fact that he has been vaccinated?
Have you missed the part where Horace is a white collar worker living in an extremely urban area?
Have you missed the part where I would generally be considered white collar, live in the burbs, and am planning on being vaccinated as well?
@lufins-dad said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Have you missed the part where Copper is a retired white collar worker that lived in the burbs before retiring? Have you missed the fact that he has been vaccinated?
Have you missed the part where Horace is a white collar worker living in an extremely urban area?
Have you missed the part where I would generally be considered white collar, live in the burbs, and am planning on being vaccinated as well?
I see your point now. I wasn’t accusing anyone on this thread of such. I was saying that the party messaging on many topics is so out of touch it is being reflected in voting patterns and now even party identification.
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@lufins-dad said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Have you missed the part where Copper is a retired white collar worker that lived in the burbs before retiring? Have you missed the fact that he has been vaccinated?
Have you missed the part where Horace is a white collar worker living in an extremely urban area?
Have you missed the part where I would generally be considered white collar, live in the burbs, and am planning on being vaccinated as well?
I see your point now. I wasn’t accusing anyone on this thread of such. I was saying that the party messaging on many topics is so out of touch it is being reflected in voting patterns and now even party identification.
@loki Right now, I see very little masking in the rural areas and not much more in the city. Older folks do mask more, younger people almost none at all.
Either through infection, vaccination or just plain don't give a damn, people have voted with their feet to get on with life. They look at the numbers between open states and more restrictive states, and don't see the numbers that make sense to continue extraordinary measures.
