Vaccination etiquette question

[Horace]

@loki said in Vaccination etiquette question:

It’s outrageous that an anti Vaxxer ask to attend. Period.

I have no time for that horseshit.

It matters what you value. Do you value them?

Again, I don't know any anti-vaxxers, so many of you have me at a disadvantage. I suspect I will go to my grave never meeting one that I felt the loss of, if I had to exclude them.

[Mik]

Of course I value them. They are lifelong friends. One was even at the Capitol, and he was one of my very best friends in school.

[Mik]

@axtremus said in Vaccination etiquette question:

The establishment that hosts the gathering makes the rule.
If it’s going to take place at your house, your rule.
It it’s going to take place at a restaurant, follow the restaurant’s rules.

Why would I allow a relatively disinterested party to make that decision? I suppose if I wanted to avoid taking responsibility for the decision I could do that. But that's really not my way.

[Axtremus]

@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:

Why in God's name would I allow a relatively disinterested party to make that decision?

Because you make use of that party’s property, they get to make the rule. Your decision is whether you want to make use of that party’s property. If you want complete control, host it on your own property.

[Loki]

@horace said in Vaccination etiquette question:

@loki said in Vaccination etiquette question:

It’s outrageous that an anti Vaxxer ask to attend. Period.

I have no time for that horseshit.

It matters what you value. Do you value them?

Again, I don't know any anti-vaxxers, so many of you have me at a disadvantage. I suspect I will go to my grave never meeting one that I felt the loss of, if I had to exclude them.

I respect people’s point of view. I expect them to respect mine. I know two kids that got Covid in the last week. So many hassles for the parents. It’s like a car accident even if they are asymptomatic

[Horace]

@loki said in Vaccination etiquette question:

@horace said in Vaccination etiquette question:

@loki said in Vaccination etiquette question:

It’s outrageous that an anti Vaxxer ask to attend. Period.

I have no time for that horseshit.

It matters what you value. Do you value them?

Again, I don't know any anti-vaxxers, so many of you have me at a disadvantage. I suspect I will go to my grave never meeting one that I felt the loss of, if I had to exclude them.

I respect people’s point of view. I expect them to respect mine. I know two kids that got Covid in the last week. So many hassles for the parents. It’s like a car accident even if they are asymptomatic

They need to stay home.

[jodi]

@doctor-phibes said in Vaccination etiquette question:

@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:

Nuanced. Not helpful at all, but nuanced.

Horace should have that on a t-shirt

Hilarious!

[Mik]

@axtremus said in Vaccination etiquette question:

@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:

Why in God's name would I allow a relatively disinterested party to make that decision?

Because you make use of that party’s property, they get to make the rule. Your decision is whether you want to make use of that party’s property. If you want complete control, host it on your own property.

Not nuanced. Not helpful, but not nuanced.

[Aqua Letifer]

If it were me, I'd say yeah, require vaccinations. For a handful of reasons:

1. It'd make it safer overall for everyone else who attends.
2. It'd make it safer for the anti-vaxxers, too, even if they can't see it that way.
3. You all are in a higher-risk category.
4. Look, can we make a distinction here between respecting others' personal decisions, and acknowledging that those personal choices can also be insane? They're keeping themselves at higher risk. They're increasing risk for everyone around them. You're allowed to do and believe what you want up to the point of placing others' health at risk, and that's what they'd be doing. Therefore, you're within your rights to make a call.

[jodi]

So our ukulele singing group is starting back up in person tonight, for those who are vaccinated, and that is a perfectly reasonable requirement at this moment in time. So offering to organize a get together, as long as those attend have been vaccinated is a valid request, Since we are still in the midst of a pandemic. You can reevaluate, and maybe have a regular reunion next year, when there is more information about all of this.

[LuFins Dad]

You’re right in making it a group decision. And @jodi brought up an important point about this being an at this time decision.Things may look very different in just a few weeks.

I do wonder though about some people’s anger and fear though.

[Doctor Phibes]

@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:

Not nuanced. Not helpful, but not nuanced.

Competing t-shirts.

[Mik]

@doctor-phibes said in Vaccination etiquette question:

@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:

Not nuanced. Not helpful, but not nuanced.

Competing t-shirts.

We are missing a great opportunity.

[Doctor Phibes]

@lufins-dad said in Vaccination etiquette question:

I do wonder though about some people’s anger and fear though.

There's plenty of anger and fear on both sides. If you read the kind of rubbish some (but not all) anti-vaccers come out with, and have been coming out with, it gets pretty scary.

First - the disease isn't all that serious. I know this guy who knows somebody who had it and he's actually healthier now. It's nothing. The nurses were all partying in the hospitals because they had nothing to do once they were locked down (I actually saw that claim about a year ago, with an accompanying video). More people are dying from the vaccination than from the disease.

I think getting angry with this kind of rubbish is a perfectly reasonable reaction.

[Renauda]

No, not at this time.

[Mik]

The anger seems to be coming from both sides. I know several people who ridicule the vaccinated as sheep/lemmings/drones. The one who first brought it up is particularly derisive on the subject. But she lives in Texas and won't be coming anyway, so I suppose she just brought it up to get on her high horse. She has a lot of health problems, so I hope the horse doesn't kill her.

But yeah, at this time is important to remember.

[Aqua Letifer]

@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:

I know several people who ridicule the vaccinated as sheep/lemmings/drones. The one who first brought it up is particularly derisive on the subject.

Can you just disinvite that person on account of being an insufferable ass?

[Copper]

If you are willing to go if everyone in the group is vaccinated, you are saying that you trust the vaccine to protect you.

If you then say that you will not go with unvaccinated people then you are saying you do not trust the vaccine.

Trust it or don't trust it.

The logic fails if you don't.

If you base the decision on an assumption that the vaccine helps, but isn't perfect, then at what point does it become an acceptable risk? Without real numbers (which don't exist) the decision is purely emotional.

[Catseye3]

@copper I like your logic. But there's another factor. Meeting with vaccinated people vs. non-vaccinated alters the degree of desire he's experiencing to see the people. Maybe he's playing the odds -- taking a chance that having the vaccine on board lessens his likelihood of getting sick enough that he's willing to risk it.

[Doctor Phibes]

@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:

I know several people who ridicule the vaccinated as sheep/lemmings/drones.

At the risk of being Ax, you could point out that lemmings have been completely unfairly represented in the media for decades based on a very bad wildlife documentary, and drones are used to bomb the shit out of bad people by 'murrica! You can say what you like about sheep of course, but if you want to keep it clean, mention that Jesus was called the lamb of God.