Trump may hang a skin on the wall.
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wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 12:30 last edited by
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wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 12:33 last edited by
The hazards of following your conscience rather than your constituency.
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wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 13:46 last edited by
@mik said in Trump may hang a skin on the wall.:
The hazards of following your conscience rather than your constituency.
I know a lady very active in the GOP state party. Pissed doesn't even explain how they feel about Murky.
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wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 13:47 last edited by
@mik said in Trump may hang a skin on the wall.:
The hazards of following your conscience rather than your constituency.
Well, that's sort of the problem, isn't it? Do you do what YOU think is right, or do you do what you were elected to do? If there's a conflict, there are solutions, on the part of the official and on the part of the citizenry.
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wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 14:50 last edited by
I think if what your constituency wants is batshit crazy, maybe you follow your conscience. Otherwise you are representing your voters. Voting against conviction was not batshit crazy. Batshit crazy was the Democrats the entire four years of trying.
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wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 15:25 last edited by xenon 4 Jun 2021, 15:25
You can only really be for broad principles ahead of an election (lower taxes, more/less medicare, higher/lower environmental regs, etc. etc.)
But - most of the actual decisions you will face as a representative will not be tied to specific things you ran on.
Question is - do you govern by your principles, or do you govern by poll?
If you're governing by poll, what's the use of a representative and why don't we just have direct democracy?
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wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 15:42 last edited by
Nobody believes polls anymore.
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wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 16:43 last edited by
Alaska can always elect an Independent or Democratic U.S. Senator.
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wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 16:53 last edited by
@axtremus said in Trump may hang a skin on the wall.:
Alaska can always elect an Independent or Democratic U.S. Senator.
Sure.
What are the odds?
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wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 17:17 last edited by
Alaskans tend to be intelligent and good looking, which is why they elect republicans.
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@axtremus said in Trump may hang a skin on the wall.:
Alaska can always elect an Independent or Democratic U.S. Senator.
Sure.
What are the odds?
wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 17:24 last edited by@jolly said in Trump may hang a skin on the wall.:
@axtremus said in Trump may hang a skin on the wall.:
Alaska can always elect an Independent or Democratic U.S. Senator.
Sure.
What are the odds?
Maybe when hell freezes over?
Of course, if you've ever visited Alaska, you might be forgiven for thinking that it had.
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wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 17:35 last edited by
I see that she's been elected to the Senate now for close to twenty years. She is past her political shelf life anyhow. She ought to retire from politics and take up Board work or some kind of community volunteer work.
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I see that she's been elected to the Senate now for close to twenty years. She is past her political shelf life anyhow. She ought to retire from politics and take up Board work or some kind of community volunteer work.
wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 17:45 last edited by@renauda said in Trump may hang a skin on the wall.:
I see that she's been elected to the Senate now for close to twenty years
In December 2002, Murkowski—while a member of the state House—was appointed by her father, Governor Frank Murkowski, to fill his own U.S. Senate seat made vacant when he resigned from the Senate after being elected governor.
The appointment caused controversy in Alaska. Many voters disapproved of the nepotism. Her appointment eventually resulted in a referendum that stripped the governor of his power to directly appoint replacement Senators.
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You can only really be for broad principles ahead of an election (lower taxes, more/less medicare, higher/lower environmental regs, etc. etc.)
But - most of the actual decisions you will face as a representative will not be tied to specific things you ran on.
Question is - do you govern by your principles, or do you govern by poll?
If you're governing by poll, what's the use of a representative and why don't we just have direct democracy?
wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 17:55 last edited by@xenon said in Trump may hang a skin on the wall.:
Question is - do you govern by your principles, or do you govern by poll?
If you're governing by poll, what's the use of a representative and why don't we just have direct democracy?David Cameron governed by poll much more than previous PM's. What a freaking disaster that turned into.
We get the chance to kick them out once every few years. We shouldn't be micromanaging them in the interim with referenda. Presumably, this woman will be get her just reward, too.
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@xenon said in Trump may hang a skin on the wall.:
Question is - do you govern by your principles, or do you govern by poll?
If you're governing by poll, what's the use of a representative and why don't we just have direct democracy?David Cameron governed by poll much more than previous PM's. What a freaking disaster that turned into.
We get the chance to kick them out once every few years. We shouldn't be micromanaging them in the interim with referenda. Presumably, this woman will be get her just reward, too.
wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 17:59 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Trump may hang a skin on the wall.:
We get the chance to kick them out once every few years. We shouldn't be micromanaging them in the interim with referenda. Presumably, this woman will be get her just reward, too.
Sen. Murkowski once lost the GOP primary then ran a write-in campaign to get herself reelected as Senator. The people of Alaska really wanted her at one point, not that long ago.
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@renauda said in Trump may hang a skin on the wall.:
I see that she's been elected to the Senate now for close to twenty years
In December 2002, Murkowski—while a member of the state House—was appointed by her father, Governor Frank Murkowski, to fill his own U.S. Senate seat made vacant when he resigned from the Senate after being elected governor.
The appointment caused controversy in Alaska. Many voters disapproved of the nepotism. Her appointment eventually resulted in a referendum that stripped the governor of his power to directly appoint replacement Senators.
wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 18:08 last edited by@george-k said in Trump may hang a skin on the wall.:
@renauda said in Trump may hang a skin on the wall.:
I see that she's been elected to the Senate now for close to twenty years
In December 2002, Murkowski—while a member of the state House—was appointed by her father, Governor Frank Murkowski, to fill his own U.S. Senate seat made vacant when he resigned from the Senate after being elected governor.
The appointment caused controversy in Alaska. Many voters disapproved of the nepotism. Her appointment eventually resulted in a referendum that stripped the governor of his power to directly appoint replacement Senators.
Yes indeed, time to leave.
On the other hand, I applaud her for taking leadership and voting according to her conscience regarding Trump. The rabble by itself is at best only capable of a trade union mentality which, as we all know, is quite politically undesirable in the large scheme of things.
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wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 18:16 last edited by
Everybody loves an independent thinker as long as they don't independently think of something we don't agree with.
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wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 18:22 last edited by
So true.
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wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 21:50 last edited by
Who ever said everybody loves an independent thinker?
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wrote on 6 Apr 2021, 22:16 last edited by
Major Amos B. Hoople.