Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment
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@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@mik said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
An excellent point. The longer this goes on and the more successful it is the more people will change their minds.
Okay but I will tell you if you can’t convince someone by now to take a shot you have to wonder about a whole lot of things that go on in their brains. I know people are entitled to their own set of facts but I am not going along for that ride.
I would not vote for a vaccine hesitant person. Ever.
Good, don't vote for them. That's your right.
It's also somebody else's right as to whether they want to be vaccinated. Or not.
Now, you and Joe can conjure up whatever Mark of the Beast you wish, but I think you're really going to have a hard time ramming that one through the courts. Probably a third of the healthcare staff at the rural hospital where I still do PRN work have not been vaccinated. Different reasons, ranging from having had COVID, to vaccine reactions, to just not wanting to take it.
Whatever. I'm not going to cower in a corner, waiting for the Grim Reaper of COVID. A couple of reasons...1) Nobody knows how much immunity the vaccination confers. Six months from now, there may be a subset of vaccinated people who are contagious and transferring the disease. So, even if we vaccinate everybody, it may not be the panacea everybody craves. 2) The jury is still out on vaccinations and how well they will work against mutations. They may not.
So now, what do we have left? We have a portion of the population who refuse to be vaccinated, for whatever reason. We have a possibility that some vaccinated people will have antibody drops and limited T-cell immunity or no T-cell immunity at all, causing them to walk around with a vaccination card in their wallet, while still being able to catch the disease and pass it on. Or we may have mutations against which the vaccine does not work, rendering the vaccination card in their wallet useless. We may wind up in a situation where we figure out the most prevalent strains, a la influenza, and vaccinate for the season.
In the case of the latter, how will Joe and Loki impart a Mark of the Beast? Permanent chipping or tatooing will not work against an ever-changing enemy.
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I have friends in both camps. The ones who are insisting on vaccinations for others are just as annoying as the ones who openly ridicule others for taking the shots. I smacked a friend on FB this mornig for doing exactly that. They make their choice as is their right and I make mine. I understand it through the lens that everyone has different experiences than my own and a differing viewpoint. C'est la vie.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@mik said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
I have friends in both camps. The ones who are insisting on vaccinations for others are just as annoying as the ones who openly ridicule others for taking the shots. I smacked a friend on FB this mornig for doing exactly that. They make their choice as is their right and I make mine. I understand it through the lens that everyone has different experiences than my own and a differing viewpoint. C'est la vie.
The only real question is how many voters like me are being lost.
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@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@mik said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
An excellent point. The longer this goes on and the more successful it is the more people will change their minds.
Okay but I will tell you if you can’t convince someone by now to take a shot you have to wonder about a whole lot of things that go on in their brains. I know people are entitled to their own set of facts but I am not going along for that ride.
I would not vote for a vaccine hesitant person. Ever.
Own set of facts? What set of facts do you have? Have you helped develop the vaccines and know the science in and out? Did you oversee the trials? If you didn’t, then you have trust, not facts. Trust that the statistics and the science as it’s being explained through the media and government agencies are factual and correct. The same government agencies, media, and “scientists” that told you in January and early February that the Flu was a bigger threat. The same that told you that masking wasn’t necessary, wasn’t necessary, how many times do we have to tell you it’s not necessary? OMG, everyone put on a mask! The same that told you it was seasonal, no it isn’t, yes it is, no it isn’t, well maybe a little. The same that told you 15 days to flatten the curve. The same that you the whole goal was to flatten the curve. The same that advised the Governor of PA to put infected patients into nursing homes with the most vulnerable. These are the same people that said countless medicines would help, no they wouldn’t, yes they would.
You are choosing to trust them. Good for you. But you can’t understand why others aren’t as quick?
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@mik said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
I have friends in both camps. The ones who are insisting on vaccinations for others are just as annoying as the ones who openly ridicule others for taking the shots.
I'm not too into a forced vaccination program, but I will openly call anyone who refuses one a fucking idiot. Because they are, they're dolts. They not only lack the knowledge to understand what a vaccine is outside of their on-the-toilet internet scholarship, but they also lack the ability to understand that there are fields about which they know nothing. "I can't possibly understand how the science works, but I can't admit that to myself, so I'll turn the tables and claim I'm not getting a vaccine because I know better." It's the same Dunning-Krueger logic that leads to holocaust denial and moon landing hoax "documentaries" on YouTube.
I've no problem at all judging people in this way. But hey sure, you don't want to do it, be my guest.
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If you read the actual arguments that people who are anti-vaccination use to defend their case, it becomes pretty clear what they are.
Leastways, the people I've seen doing it tend to post a lot of photos of Bill Gates, and make a lot of claims about the pandemic not being real. One person started making a lot of comments about the importance of numbers, as in things being in code.
I'm sure there are some who aren't idiots. I haven't seen one.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525.
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@doctor-phibes said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
I'm sure there are some who aren't idiots. I haven't seen one.
Every reservation I've heard that doesn't involve numerology, Bill Gates, or the word "plandemic" could be put completely at ease by reading one damn article about how the vaccines work, how they were manufactured, and how they were approved.
I mean shit, I had similar concerns. Because I'm not a virologist. So I educated myself.
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@horace said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
What are the specific platforms or talking points over which voters would be lost, again?
I support Biden’s approaches to the vaccine and I am willing to give him a fresh look on everything.
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@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@horace said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
What are the specific platforms or talking points over which voters would be lost, again?
I support Biden’s approaches to the vaccine and I am willing to give him a fresh look on everything.
I, too, support policies with which I agree, regardless of the politician that they come from.
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@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
Okay but I will tell you if you can’t convince someone by now
By now?
These vaccines are years ahead of what would be considered a normal life cycle.
Caution at this point may or may not be wise, but it is certainly normal.
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement.
First Steps: Laboratory and Animal StudiesExploratory Stage
This stage involves basic laboratory research and often lasts 2-4 years.
The pre-clinical stages often lasts 1-2 years
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@copper said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
Okay but I will tell you if you can’t convince someone by now
By now?
These vaccines are years ahead of what would be considered a normal life cycle.
Caution at this point may or may not be wise, but it is certainly normal.
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement.
First Steps: Laboratory and Animal StudiesExploratory Stage
This stage involves basic laboratory research and often lasts 2-4 years.
The pre-clinical stages often lasts 1-2 years
So I would say to that I would like to hear hesitancy from epidemiologists, scientists, education leaders and business folks.
Look at the demographics of those for and those against.
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@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@copper said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
Okay but I will tell you if you can’t convince someone by now
By now?
These vaccines are years ahead of what would be considered a normal life cycle.
Caution at this point may or may not be wise, but it is certainly normal.
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement.
First Steps: Laboratory and Animal StudiesExploratory Stage
This stage involves basic laboratory research and often lasts 2-4 years.
The pre-clinical stages often lasts 1-2 years
So I would say to that I would like to hear hesitancy from epidemiologists, scientists, education leaders and business folks.
Look at the demographics of those for and those against.
I believe they all agree this is uncharted territory.
Caution has deliberately been abandoned, this was well publicized.
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@aqua-letifer said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@doctor-phibes said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
I'm sure there are some who aren't idiots. I haven't seen one.
Every reservation I've heard that doesn't involve numerology, Bill Gates, or the word "plandemic" could be put completely at ease by reading one damn article about how the vaccines work, how they were manufactured, and how they were approved.
I mean shit, I had similar concerns. Because I'm not a virologist. So I educated myself.
No, you're not a virologist. You're not in my league. And I'm not in George's or Bach's. And they aren't in a virologist's league and those guys may not have a good handle on primary research. And even the best and brightest are still guessing a good bit.
So, at the end of the day, you are left with an opinion. Better informed than some, but an opinion, nonetheless.
Therefore, what constitutes an idiot? Anybody who doesn't agree with you?
Jon doesn't agree with me on a range of issues. Hmmm...I've always suspected Jon was an idiot. Or maybe it's the other way around...Hmmm...
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@jolly said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
No, you're not a virologist. You're not in my league. And I'm not in George's or Bach's. And they aren't in a virologist's league and those guys may not have a good handle on primary research. And even the best and brightest are still guessing a good bit.
So, at the end of the day, you are left with an opinion. Better informed than some, but an opinion, nonetheless.
Therefore, what constitutes an idiot? Anybody who doesn't agree with you?
Jon doesn't agree with me on a range of issues. Hmmm...I've always suspected Jon was an idiot. Or maybe it's the other way around...Hmmm...Being able to create a vaccine with your own two hands is different from understanding how a vaccine is created. I consider my reading comprehension skills sufficient enough to understand scientific information. For one, because I worked at it. For two, because it's been my job on many occasions for the past two decades. So when scientists who worked on the vaccines explain how the vaccines work, I consider that information more credible than political preferences.
Reading and critical thinking are fundamental. If you wanted to believe that the Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J vaccines are "opinion," that would be your right to do so, but I'd absolutely call you a moron.
Please love yourself.
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@aqua-letifer said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@jolly said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
No, you're not a virologist. You're not in my league. And I'm not in George's or Bach's. And they aren't in a virologist's league and those guys may not have a good handle on primary research. And even the best and brightest are still guessing a good bit.
So, at the end of the day, you are left with an opinion. Better informed than some, but an opinion, nonetheless.
Therefore, what constitutes an idiot? Anybody who doesn't agree with you?
Jon doesn't agree with me on a range of issues. Hmmm...I've always suspected Jon was an idiot. Or maybe it's the other way around...Hmmm...Being able to create a vaccine with your own two hands is different from understanding how a vaccine is created. I consider my reading comprehension skills sufficient enough to understand scientific information. For one, because I worked at it. For two, because it's been my job on many occasions for the past two decades. So when scientists who worked on the vaccines explain how the vaccines work, I consider that information more credible than political preferences.
Reading and critical thinking are fundamental.
What is your BS degree in? Advanced?
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
Warning: I post things that interest me. Read and comment at your own discretion.
