Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment

[Aqua Letifer]

@mik said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

I have friends in both camps. The ones who are insisting on vaccinations for others are just as annoying as the ones who openly ridicule others for taking the shots.

I'm not too into a forced vaccination program, but I will openly call anyone who refuses one a fucking idiot. Because they are, they're dolts. They not only lack the knowledge to understand what a vaccine is outside of their on-the-toilet internet scholarship, but they also lack the ability to understand that there are fields about which they know nothing. "I can't possibly understand how the science works, but I can't admit that to myself, so I'll turn the tables and claim I'm not getting a vaccine because I know better." It's the same Dunning-Krueger logic that leads to holocaust denial and moon landing hoax "documentaries" on YouTube.

I've no problem at all judging people in this way. But hey sure, you don't want to do it, be my guest.

[Doctor Phibes]

If you read the actual arguments that people who are anti-vaccination use to defend their case, it becomes pretty clear what they are.

Leastways, the people I've seen doing it tend to post a lot of photos of Bill Gates, and make a lot of claims about the pandemic not being real. One person started making a lot of comments about the importance of numbers, as in things being in code.

I'm sure there are some who aren't idiots. I haven't seen one.

[Aqua Letifer]

@doctor-phibes said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

I'm sure there are some who aren't idiots. I haven't seen one.

Every reservation I've heard that doesn't involve numerology, Bill Gates, or the word "plandemic" could be put completely at ease by reading one damn article about how the vaccines work, how they were manufactured, and how they were approved.

I mean shit, I had similar concerns. Because I'm not a virologist. So I educated myself.

[Loki]

@horace said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

What are the specific platforms or talking points over which voters would be lost, again?

I support Biden’s approaches to the vaccine and I am willing to give him a fresh look on everything.

[Horace]

@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

@horace said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

What are the specific platforms or talking points over which voters would be lost, again?

I support Biden’s approaches to the vaccine and I am willing to give him a fresh look on everything.

I, too, support policies with which I agree, regardless of the politician that they come from.

[Mik]

I refuse to do to Biden what was done to Trump. It was to my mind treasonous.

[Horace]

TDS sure did reflect poorly on tens of millions of people. But there’s no shame as long as everybody around them felt the same way.

[Copper]

@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

Okay but I will tell you if you can’t convince someone by now

By now?

These vaccines are years ahead of what would be considered a normal life cycle.

Caution at this point may or may not be wise, but it is certainly normal.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation

Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement.
First Steps: Laboratory and Animal Studies

Exploratory Stage

This stage involves basic laboratory research and often lasts 2-4 years.

The pre-clinical stages often lasts 1-2 years

[Loki]

@copper said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

Okay but I will tell you if you can’t convince someone by now

By now?

These vaccines are years ahead of what would be considered a normal life cycle.

Caution at this point may or may not be wise, but it is certainly normal.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation

Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement.
First Steps: Laboratory and Animal Studies

Exploratory Stage

This stage involves basic laboratory research and often lasts 2-4 years.

The pre-clinical stages often lasts 1-2 years

So I would say to that I would like to hear hesitancy from epidemiologists, scientists, education leaders and business folks.

Look at the demographics of those for and those against.

[Copper]

@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

@copper said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

Okay but I will tell you if you can’t convince someone by now

By now?

These vaccines are years ahead of what would be considered a normal life cycle.

Caution at this point may or may not be wise, but it is certainly normal.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation

Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement.
First Steps: Laboratory and Animal Studies

Exploratory Stage

This stage involves basic laboratory research and often lasts 2-4 years.

The pre-clinical stages often lasts 1-2 years

So I would say to that I would like to hear hesitancy from epidemiologists, scientists, education leaders and business folks.

Look at the demographics of those for and those against.

I believe they all agree this is uncharted territory.
Caution has deliberately been abandoned, this was well publicized.
There is no real basis for acting smug about your faith in the vaccine.

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

@doctor-phibes said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

I'm sure there are some who aren't idiots. I haven't seen one.

Every reservation I've heard that doesn't involve numerology, Bill Gates, or the word "plandemic" could be put completely at ease by reading one damn article about how the vaccines work, how they were manufactured, and how they were approved.

I mean shit, I had similar concerns. Because I'm not a virologist. So I educated myself.

No, you're not a virologist. You're not in my league. And I'm not in George's or Bach's. And they aren't in a virologist's league and those guys may not have a good handle on primary research. And even the best and brightest are still guessing a good bit.

So, at the end of the day, you are left with an opinion. Better informed than some, but an opinion, nonetheless.

Therefore, what constitutes an idiot? Anybody who doesn't agree with you?

Jon doesn't agree with me on a range of issues. Hmmm...I've always suspected Jon was an idiot. Or maybe it's the other way around...Hmmm...

[Mik]

Speaking of Jon, he must be on vacation. I think they are at the beach?

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

No, you're not a virologist. You're not in my league. And I'm not in George's or Bach's. And they aren't in a virologist's league and those guys may not have a good handle on primary research. And even the best and brightest are still guessing a good bit.
So, at the end of the day, you are left with an opinion. Better informed than some, but an opinion, nonetheless.
Therefore, what constitutes an idiot? Anybody who doesn't agree with you?
Jon doesn't agree with me on a range of issues. Hmmm...I've always suspected Jon was an idiot. Or maybe it's the other way around...Hmmm...

Being able to create a vaccine with your own two hands is different from understanding how a vaccine is created. I consider my reading comprehension skills sufficient enough to understand scientific information. For one, because I worked at it. For two, because it's been my job on many occasions for the past two decades. So when scientists who worked on the vaccines explain how the vaccines work, I consider that information more credible than political preferences.

Reading and critical thinking are fundamental. If you wanted to believe that the Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J vaccines are "opinion," that would be your right to do so, but I'd absolutely call you a moron.

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

@jolly said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

No, you're not a virologist. You're not in my league. And I'm not in George's or Bach's. And they aren't in a virologist's league and those guys may not have a good handle on primary research. And even the best and brightest are still guessing a good bit.
So, at the end of the day, you are left with an opinion. Better informed than some, but an opinion, nonetheless.
Therefore, what constitutes an idiot? Anybody who doesn't agree with you?
Jon doesn't agree with me on a range of issues. Hmmm...I've always suspected Jon was an idiot. Or maybe it's the other way around...Hmmm...

Being able to create a vaccine with your own two hands is different from understanding how a vaccine is created. I consider my reading comprehension skills sufficient enough to understand scientific information. For one, because I worked at it. For two, because it's been my job on many occasions for the past two decades. So when scientists who worked on the vaccines explain how the vaccines work, I consider that information more credible than political preferences.

Reading and critical thinking are fundamental.

What is your BS degree in? Advanced?

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

@aqua-letifer said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

@jolly said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

No, you're not a virologist. You're not in my league. And I'm not in George's or Bach's. And they aren't in a virologist's league and those guys may not have a good handle on primary research. And even the best and brightest are still guessing a good bit.
So, at the end of the day, you are left with an opinion. Better informed than some, but an opinion, nonetheless.
Therefore, what constitutes an idiot? Anybody who doesn't agree with you?
Jon doesn't agree with me on a range of issues. Hmmm...I've always suspected Jon was an idiot. Or maybe it's the other way around...Hmmm...

Being able to create a vaccine with your own two hands is different from understanding how a vaccine is created. I consider my reading comprehension skills sufficient enough to understand scientific information. For one, because I worked at it. For two, because it's been my job on many occasions for the past two decades. So when scientists who worked on the vaccines explain how the vaccines work, I consider that information more credible than political preferences.

Reading and critical thinking are fundamental.

What is your BS degree in? Advanced?

If you really want to play that game, where did you say you get your news again?

[Loki]

@copper said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

@copper said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

Okay but I will tell you if you can’t convince someone by now

By now?

These vaccines are years ahead of what would be considered a normal life cycle.

Caution at this point may or may not be wise, but it is certainly normal.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation

Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement.
First Steps: Laboratory and Animal Studies

Exploratory Stage

This stage involves basic laboratory research and often lasts 2-4 years.

The pre-clinical stages often lasts 1-2 years

So I would say to that I would like to hear hesitancy from epidemiologists, scientists, education leaders and business folks.

Look at the demographics of those for and those against.

I believe they all agree this is uncharted territory.
Caution has deliberately been abandoned, this was well publicized.
There is no real basis for acting smug about your faith in the vaccine.

550,000 deaths in the US alone and a vaccine platform that has actually been in the works for decades. I’m not being smug I think I can mathematically prove what is more likely to kill you.

[Loki]

The longer it takes to vaccinate everyone the easier it is mutant strains to develop which will render the current vaccines less effective. This is a race folks and as it is booster shots are already almost a foregone conclusion.

So there is more joy to be had with those that won’t take it.

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

@jolly said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

@aqua-letifer said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

@jolly said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

No, you're not a virologist. You're not in my league. And I'm not in George's or Bach's. And they aren't in a virologist's league and those guys may not have a good handle on primary research. And even the best and brightest are still guessing a good bit.
So, at the end of the day, you are left with an opinion. Better informed than some, but an opinion, nonetheless.
Therefore, what constitutes an idiot? Anybody who doesn't agree with you?
Jon doesn't agree with me on a range of issues. Hmmm...I've always suspected Jon was an idiot. Or maybe it's the other way around...Hmmm...

Being able to create a vaccine with your own two hands is different from understanding how a vaccine is created. I consider my reading comprehension skills sufficient enough to understand scientific information. For one, because I worked at it. For two, because it's been my job on many occasions for the past two decades. So when scientists who worked on the vaccines explain how the vaccines work, I consider that information more credible than political preferences.

Reading and critical thinking are fundamental.

What is your BS degree in? Advanced?

If you really want to play that game, where did you say you get your news again?

BS - major in biology, medical technology, minor in chemistry (I need one more course for a triple major). I have forgotten more stuff than I know, at this point.

You're damn right I'll play this game with some two-bit, self taught expert, that couldn't function for thirty minutes in a medical lab, research lab or in an acute healthcare setting.

Now, go run your damn head and tell me just how damn good you are...While I laugh my ass off...

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

You're damn right I'll play this game with some two-bit, self taught expert, that couldn't function for thirty minutes in a medical lab, research lab or in an acute healthcare setting.
Now, go run your damn head and tell me just how damn good you are...While I laugh my ass off...

That sounds like a lot of education and training. At which point did you learn that vaccine efficacy was the same as political opinions? Do they cover that in bio?

[Copper]

@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

@copper said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

@copper said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:

Okay but I will tell you if you can’t convince someone by now

By now?

These vaccines are years ahead of what would be considered a normal life cycle.

Caution at this point may or may not be wise, but it is certainly normal.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation

Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement.
First Steps: Laboratory and Animal Studies

Exploratory Stage

This stage involves basic laboratory research and often lasts 2-4 years.

The pre-clinical stages often lasts 1-2 years

So I would say to that I would like to hear hesitancy from epidemiologists, scientists, education leaders and business folks.

Look at the demographics of those for and those against.

I believe they all agree this is uncharted territory.
Caution has deliberately been abandoned, this was well publicized.
There is no real basis for acting smug about your faith in the vaccine.

550,000 deaths in the US alone and a vaccine platform that has actually been in the works for decades. I’m not being smug I think I can mathematically prove what is more likely to kill you.

Please pass your calculations along to the experts who normally take years to approve a new vaccine. I'm sure you could save lives.