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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #9

    4th Amendment, baby.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • 89th8 Offline
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      #10

      What we need is smart and simple tax reform, combine with smart government spending cuts. If taxes increase it should be on everyone not just those who are already paying a higher % than everyone else, like Horace.

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      • CopperC Offline
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        #11

        Balance the budget, then reduce spending

        Then reduce it again

        Problem solved

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        • AxtremusA Offline
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          Axtremus
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          #12

          Wealth tax should be instituted.

          Capital gains and estate taxes should be raised.

          If we claim to value "work" and want to encourage "work," then we ought to tax income from "work" less than we tax other types of incomes, such as those from investments, inheritances, or rent-seeking.

          Acute concentration of wealth does a society no good. You want the tilt the balance more towards encouraging "work" rather than just let money automatically make more money just because there is a big pile of it.

          Set a high threshold so there is still lots of incentives for lots of people to accumulate wealth. E.g., the estate tax does not kick in for the first $11.58million of the assets, you can craft a similarly high threshold for when a wealth tax gets triggered. But start closing the gap between capital gains tax and marginal earned income tax beyond certain threshold and start taxing wealth beyond certain threshold.

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          • AxtremusA Axtremus

            Wealth tax should be instituted.

            Capital gains and estate taxes should be raised.

            If we claim to value "work" and want to encourage "work," then we ought to tax income from "work" less than we tax other types of incomes, such as those from investments, inheritances, or rent-seeking.

            Acute concentration of wealth does a society no good. You want the tilt the balance more towards encouraging "work" rather than just let money automatically make more money just because there is a big pile of it.

            Set a high threshold so there is still lots of incentives for lots of people to accumulate wealth. E.g., the estate tax does not kick in for the first $11.58million of the assets, you can craft a similarly high threshold for when a wealth tax gets triggered. But start closing the gap between capital gains tax and marginal earned income tax beyond certain threshold and start taxing wealth beyond certain threshold.

            George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by George K
            #13

            @axtremus said in Here we go:

            Wealth tax should be instituted.

            Tax 'em twice!

            estate taxes should be raised

            Tax 'em twice, again!

            encouraging "work"

            Oh. My. Sides. You mean like the COVID relief for 21 weeks for federal workers? C'mon, man!

            'Splain to me how raising taxes on income, wealth, estates, encourages "work?" If I'm going to be taxed more, there's a point where I'll just say, "Screw it, it's not worth the effort."

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              Wealth tax should be instituted.

              Capital gains and estate taxes should be raised.

              If we claim to value "work" and want to encourage "work," then we ought to tax income from "work" less than we tax other types of incomes, such as those from investments, inheritances, or rent-seeking.

              Acute concentration of wealth does a society no good. You want the tilt the balance more towards encouraging "work" rather than just let money automatically make more money just because there is a big pile of it.

              Set a high threshold so there is still lots of incentives for lots of people to accumulate wealth. E.g., the estate tax does not kick in for the first $11.58million of the assets, you can craft a similarly high threshold for when a wealth tax gets triggered. But start closing the gap between capital gains tax and marginal earned income tax beyond certain threshold and start taxing wealth beyond certain threshold.

              LuFins DadL Offline
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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on last edited by
              #14

              @axtremus said in Here we go:

              Wealth tax should be instituted.

              Capital gains and estate taxes should be raised.

              If we claim to value "work" and want to encourage "work," then we ought to tax income from "work" less than we tax other types of incomes, such as those from investments, inheritances, or rent-seeking.

              Acute concentration of wealth does a society no good. You want the tilt the balance more towards encouraging "work" rather than just let money automatically make more money just because there is a big pile of it.

              Set a high threshold so there is still lots of incentives for lots of people to accumulate wealth. E.g., the estate tax does not kick in for the first $11.58million of the assets, you can craft a similarly high threshold for when a wealth tax gets triggered. But start closing the gap between capital gains tax and marginal earned income tax beyond certain threshold and start taxing wealth beyond certain threshold.

              Coz people richer than me are Evil.

              And the government can be trusted to spend the money sooooo wisely and well.

              The Brad

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                Wealth tax should be instituted.

                Capital gains and estate taxes should be raised.

                If we claim to value "work" and want to encourage "work," then we ought to tax income from "work" less than we tax other types of incomes, such as those from investments, inheritances, or rent-seeking.

                Acute concentration of wealth does a society no good. You want the tilt the balance more towards encouraging "work" rather than just let money automatically make more money just because there is a big pile of it.

                Set a high threshold so there is still lots of incentives for lots of people to accumulate wealth. E.g., the estate tax does not kick in for the first $11.58million of the assets, you can craft a similarly high threshold for when a wealth tax gets triggered. But start closing the gap between capital gains tax and marginal earned income tax beyond certain threshold and start taxing wealth beyond certain threshold.

                CopperC Offline
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                Copper
                wrote on last edited by
                #15

                @axtremus said in Here we go:

                income from "work" less than we tax other types of incomes, such as those from investments, inheritances, or rent-seeking.

                For a lot of people those things represent work

                Income tax and wealth tax are bad for everyone

                Even for democrats that have absolutely no clue what they are talking about

                All they know is hate for people they don't understand

                Hate

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                • MikM Offline
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                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by Mik
                  #16

                  Work is a good thing, but for most everyone the goal is to amass wealth such that you no longer have to work for a living. Heck, there’s even government programs for that. Big fucking government programs.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • George KG George K

                    @axtremus said in Here we go:

                    Wealth tax should be instituted.

                    Tax 'em twice!

                    estate taxes should be raised

                    Tax 'em twice, again!

                    encouraging "work"

                    Oh. My. Sides. You mean like the COVID relief for 21 weeks for federal workers? C'mon, man!

                    'Splain to me how raising taxes on income, wealth, estates, encourages "work?" If I'm going to be taxed more, there's a point where I'll just say, "Screw it, it's not worth the effort."

                    AxtremusA Offline
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                    Axtremus
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #17

                    @george-k said in Here we go:

                    'Splain to me how raising taxes on income, wealth, estates, encourages "work?" If I'm going to be taxed more, there's a point where I'll just say, "Screw it, it's not worth the effort."

                    High threshold, e.g., the first $11.58million being "tax free" per the estate tax example. And the fact that if you stop working, your wealth will be slowly taxed back down to that threshold -- that's an incentive to keep you working.

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                    • MikM Offline
                      MikM Offline
                      Mik
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #18

                      So you wish to enslave the successful.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        @axtremus said in Here we go:

                        Wealth tax should be instituted.

                        Capital gains and estate taxes should be raised.

                        If we claim to value "work" and want to encourage "work," then we ought to tax income from "work" less than we tax other types of incomes, such as those from investments, inheritances, or rent-seeking.

                        Acute concentration of wealth does a society no good. You want the tilt the balance more towards encouraging "work" rather than just let money automatically make more money just because there is a big pile of it.

                        Set a high threshold so there is still lots of incentives for lots of people to accumulate wealth. E.g., the estate tax does not kick in for the first $11.58million of the assets, you can craft a similarly high threshold for when a wealth tax gets triggered. But start closing the gap between capital gains tax and marginal earned income tax beyond certain threshold and start taxing wealth beyond certain threshold.

                        Coz people richer than me are Evil.

                        And the government can be trusted to spend the money sooooo wisely and well.

                        AxtremusA Offline
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                        Axtremus
                        wrote on last edited by Axtremus
                        #19

                        @lufins-dad said in Here we go:

                        And the government can be trusted to spend the money sooooo wisely and well.

                        We the people elect those who make up the government. We the people determine to whom we entrust the power of the purse.

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                        • MikM Mik

                          So you wish to enslave the successful.

                          AxtremusA Offline
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                          Axtremus
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #20

                          @mik said in Here we go:

                          So you wish to enslave the successful.

                          Just to discourage sloth by wealth beyond certain threshold. Don't forget the estate tax part of it -- you get to have a leg up for having rich parents, just not exempt from having to work to build further wealth or maintain your inherited wealth beyond certain threshold.

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                          • AxtremusA Axtremus

                            @mik said in Here we go:

                            So you wish to enslave the successful.

                            Just to discourage sloth by wealth beyond certain threshold. Don't forget the estate tax part of it -- you get to have a leg up for having rich parents, just not exempt from having to work to build further wealth or maintain your inherited wealth beyond certain threshold.

                            CopperC Offline
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                            Copper
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #21

                            @axtremus said in Here we go:

                            @mik said in Here we go:

                            So you wish to enslave the successful.

                            Just to discourage sloth by wealth beyond certain threshold. Don't forget the estate tax part of it -- you get to have a leg up for having rich parents, just not exempt from having to work to build further wealth or maintain your inherited wealth beyond certain threshold.

                            It is not the government's job to plan anyone's life

                            It is, in fact, none of their business

                            And none of yours either

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                            • CopperC Copper

                              @axtremus said in Here we go:

                              @mik said in Here we go:

                              So you wish to enslave the successful.

                              Just to discourage sloth by wealth beyond certain threshold. Don't forget the estate tax part of it -- you get to have a leg up for having rich parents, just not exempt from having to work to build further wealth or maintain your inherited wealth beyond certain threshold.

                              It is not the government's job to plan anyone's life

                              It is, in fact, none of their business

                              And none of yours either

                              AxtremusA Offline
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                              Axtremus
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #22

                              @copper said in Here we go:

                              It is not the government's job to plan anyone's life

                              A non sequitur for the topic at hand. No one here says it's the government's job to plan anyone's life.

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