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  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

    @jolly said in Not Cages:

    @89th said in Not Cages:

    The double standard by the media has been immediately solidified already. Cages... falling on the stairs... would be covered so much differently had it been Trump.

    No shit, sherlock.

    And I saw you rolling like a dog in green cowshit with every new Trump possible gaffe, whether it be true or not. If you ain't part of the solution, maybe you were part of the problem, hmmm...

    Maybe people who refuse to acknowledge the shortcomings of their own side, even when they act like Olympic standard ass-clowns, are also part of the problem.

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    @doctor-phibes said in Not Cages:

    @jolly said in Not Cages:

    @89th said in Not Cages:

    The double standard by the media has been immediately solidified already. Cages... falling on the stairs... would be covered so much differently had it been Trump.

    No shit, sherlock.

    And I saw you rolling like a dog in green cowshit with every new Trump possible gaffe, whether it be true or not. If you ain't part of the solution, maybe you were part of the problem, hmmm...

    Maybe people who refuse to acknowledge the shortcomings of their own side, even when they act like Olympic standard ass-clowns, are also part of the problem.

    Maybe people acknowledged some of it, butyou were so damn busy criticizing and yukking it up, you never noticed.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      xenon
      wrote on last edited by xenon
      #8

      If Donald Trump was a more effective politician - he probably had the best chance in recent history to get some meaningful immigration law in place.

      Most Americans (and I think most democrats - though I'm not sure) - are in favor of border controls and not having "open borders".

      He just needed to get people pinned down on what they meant and force dems to vote on it.

      But it was all wall all the time.

      He put his pulse on many issues that ma plurality of Americans agreed with. Just, such a bad, bad politician.

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        Utter nonsense. None of his recent predecessors were able to get anything through Congress wither.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          Utter nonsense. None of his recent predecessors were able to get anything through Congress wither.

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          xenon
          wrote on last edited by xenon
          #10

          @mik I know that. I'm saying he had the best chance. He could have forced dems into somewhat of a corner, he never even put them on their back foot.

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            xenon
            wrote on last edited by xenon
            #11

            To be clear - I think a lot of people voted for him because they thought our border policy has been stupid and at least Trump was calling it stupid.

            The wall (I think) was always a red herring. That's not the solution, but it was a good way to get energy around his border message.

            In practice - he never really evolved beyond the wall.

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              @89th said in Not Cages:

              The double standard by the media has been immediately solidified already. Cages... falling on the stairs... would be covered so much differently had it been Trump.

              No shit, sherlock.

              And I saw you rolling like a dog in green cowshit with every new Trump possible gaffe, whether it be true or not. If you ain't part of the solution, maybe you were part of the problem, hmmm...

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              #12

              @jolly said in Not Cages:

              @89th said in Not Cages:

              The double standard by the media has been immediately solidified already. Cages... falling on the stairs... would be covered so much differently had it been Trump.

              No shit, sherlock.

              And I saw you rolling like a dog in green cowshit with every new Trump possible gaffe, whether it be true or not. If you ain't part of the solution, maybe you were part of the problem, hmmm...

              Not really, check the tape. My main criticisms of Trump surrounded his fumbling/lying regarding COVID-19, and much more importantly his lying and refusal to accept his landslide loss. I actually said many times I thought Trump did a lot of great/conservative things, but the lying/refusal to accept his loss was politically unforgivable.

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              • X xenon

                @mik I know that. I'm saying he had the best chance. He could have forced dems into somewhat of a corner, he never even put them on their back foot.

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                @xenon said in Not Cages:

                @mik I know that. I'm saying he had the best chance. He could have forced dems into somewhat of a corner, he never even put them on their back foot.

                He had a Republican House weenie out on him...

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • 89th8 89th

                  @jolly said in Not Cages:

                  @89th said in Not Cages:

                  The double standard by the media has been immediately solidified already. Cages... falling on the stairs... would be covered so much differently had it been Trump.

                  No shit, sherlock.

                  And I saw you rolling like a dog in green cowshit with every new Trump possible gaffe, whether it be true or not. If you ain't part of the solution, maybe you were part of the problem, hmmm...

                  Not really, check the tape. My main criticisms of Trump surrounded his fumbling/lying regarding COVID-19, and much more importantly his lying and refusal to accept his landslide loss. I actually said many times I thought Trump did a lot of great/conservative things, but the lying/refusal to accept his loss was politically unforgivable.

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                  Jolly
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                  @89th said in Not Cages:

                  @jolly said in Not Cages:

                  @89th said in Not Cages:

                  The double standard by the media has been immediately solidified already. Cages... falling on the stairs... would be covered so much differently had it been Trump.

                  No shit, sherlock.

                  And I saw you rolling like a dog in green cowshit with every new Trump possible gaffe, whether it be true or not. If you ain't part of the solution, maybe you were part of the problem, hmmm...

                  Not really, check the tape. My main criticisms of Trump surrounded his fumbling/lying regarding COVID-19, and much more importantly his lying and refusal to accept his landslide loss. I actually said many times I thought Trump did a lot of great/conservative things, but the lying/refusal to accept his loss was politically unforgivable.

                  I think he was cheated.

                  You want to call me a liar?

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    #15

                    As did Bush.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @89th said in Not Cages:

                      @jolly said in Not Cages:

                      @89th said in Not Cages:

                      The double standard by the media has been immediately solidified already. Cages... falling on the stairs... would be covered so much differently had it been Trump.

                      No shit, sherlock.

                      And I saw you rolling like a dog in green cowshit with every new Trump possible gaffe, whether it be true or not. If you ain't part of the solution, maybe you were part of the problem, hmmm...

                      Not really, check the tape. My main criticisms of Trump surrounded his fumbling/lying regarding COVID-19, and much more importantly his lying and refusal to accept his landslide loss. I actually said many times I thought Trump did a lot of great/conservative things, but the lying/refusal to accept his loss was politically unforgivable.

                      I think he was cheated.

                      You want to call me a liar?

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                      89th
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #16

                      @jolly said in Not Cages:

                      @89th said in Not Cages:

                      @jolly said in Not Cages:

                      @89th said in Not Cages:

                      The double standard by the media has been immediately solidified already. Cages... falling on the stairs... would be covered so much differently had it been Trump.

                      No shit, sherlock.

                      And I saw you rolling like a dog in green cowshit with every new Trump possible gaffe, whether it be true or not. If you ain't part of the solution, maybe you were part of the problem, hmmm...

                      Not really, check the tape. My main criticisms of Trump surrounded his fumbling/lying regarding COVID-19, and much more importantly his lying and refusal to accept his landslide loss. I actually said many times I thought Trump did a lot of great/conservative things, but the lying/refusal to accept his loss was politically unforgivable.

                      I think he was cheated.

                      You want to call me a liar?

                      If you said something dishonest, yes.

                      Being called a liar isn't an insult, it's an objective description of a person's behavior. In your case, if you don't think he was cheated, but said you did (as you did just now), you would be lying about your feelings. I have to presume you honestly think he was cheated, therefore you aren't lying about your opinion.

                      Trump, however, said dozens, hundreds, thousands of lies. Not just stated as opinion, but as fact. Spouting off so many untruths makes him, objectively, a liar.

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                      • 89th8 89th

                        @jolly said in Not Cages:

                        @89th said in Not Cages:

                        @jolly said in Not Cages:

                        @89th said in Not Cages:

                        The double standard by the media has been immediately solidified already. Cages... falling on the stairs... would be covered so much differently had it been Trump.

                        No shit, sherlock.

                        And I saw you rolling like a dog in green cowshit with every new Trump possible gaffe, whether it be true or not. If you ain't part of the solution, maybe you were part of the problem, hmmm...

                        Not really, check the tape. My main criticisms of Trump surrounded his fumbling/lying regarding COVID-19, and much more importantly his lying and refusal to accept his landslide loss. I actually said many times I thought Trump did a lot of great/conservative things, but the lying/refusal to accept his loss was politically unforgivable.

                        I think he was cheated.

                        You want to call me a liar?

                        If you said something dishonest, yes.

                        Being called a liar isn't an insult, it's an objective description of a person's behavior. In your case, if you don't think he was cheated, but said you did (as you did just now), you would be lying about your feelings. I have to presume you honestly think he was cheated, therefore you aren't lying about your opinion.

                        Trump, however, said dozens, hundreds, thousands of lies. Not just stated as opinion, but as fact. Spouting off so many untruths makes him, objectively, a liar.

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                        George K
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                        @89th said in Not Cages:

                        Spouting off so many untruths makes him, objectively, a liar.

                        And all of his lies enabled him to join Politifact's "Lie of the Year" club.

                        August company, to be sure!

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                        • X xenon

                          If Donald Trump was a more effective politician - he probably had the best chance in recent history to get some meaningful immigration law in place.

                          Most Americans (and I think most democrats - though I'm not sure) - are in favor of border controls and not having "open borders".

                          He just needed to get people pinned down on what they meant and force dems to vote on it.

                          But it was all wall all the time.

                          He put his pulse on many issues that ma plurality of Americans agreed with. Just, such a bad, bad politician.

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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on last edited by
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                          @xenon said in Not Cages:

                          If Donald Trump was a more effective politician - he probably had the best chance in recent history to get some meaningful immigration law in place.

                          Most Americans (and I think most democrats - though I'm not sure) - are in favor of border controls and not having "open borders".

                          He just needed to get people pinned down on what they meant and force dems to vote on it.

                          But it was all wall all the time.

                          He put his pulse on many issues that ma plurality of Americans agreed with. Just, such a bad, bad politician.

                          I do agree with this. He entered in 2016 with majority in Congress.

                          He was like a boulder on a hill. Once he started moving, he was unable to "adapt" or modify his course, even if he was on the wrong path. HIs diplomatic skills seem to be almost zero. That may work short term, but any major things needed do require some diplomacy.

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                          • 89th8 89th

                            @jolly said in Not Cages:

                            @89th said in Not Cages:

                            @jolly said in Not Cages:

                            @89th said in Not Cages:

                            The double standard by the media has been immediately solidified already. Cages... falling on the stairs... would be covered so much differently had it been Trump.

                            No shit, sherlock.

                            And I saw you rolling like a dog in green cowshit with every new Trump possible gaffe, whether it be true or not. If you ain't part of the solution, maybe you were part of the problem, hmmm...

                            Not really, check the tape. My main criticisms of Trump surrounded his fumbling/lying regarding COVID-19, and much more importantly his lying and refusal to accept his landslide loss. I actually said many times I thought Trump did a lot of great/conservative things, but the lying/refusal to accept his loss was politically unforgivable.

                            I think he was cheated.

                            You want to call me a liar?

                            If you said something dishonest, yes.

                            Being called a liar isn't an insult, it's an objective description of a person's behavior. In your case, if you don't think he was cheated, but said you did (as you did just now), you would be lying about your feelings. I have to presume you honestly think he was cheated, therefore you aren't lying about your opinion.

                            Trump, however, said dozens, hundreds, thousands of lies. Not just stated as opinion, but as fact. Spouting off so many untruths makes him, objectively, a liar.

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                            Jolly
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                            @89th said in Not Cages:

                            @jolly said in Not Cages:

                            @89th said in Not Cages:

                            @jolly said in Not Cages:

                            @89th said in Not Cages:

                            The double standard by the media has been immediately solidified already. Cages... falling on the stairs... would be covered so much differently had it been Trump.

                            No shit, sherlock.

                            And I saw you rolling like a dog in green cowshit with every new Trump possible gaffe, whether it be true or not. If you ain't part of the solution, maybe you were part of the problem, hmmm...

                            Not really, check the tape. My main criticisms of Trump surrounded his fumbling/lying regarding COVID-19, and much more importantly his lying and refusal to accept his landslide loss. I actually said many times I thought Trump did a lot of great/conservative things, but the lying/refusal to accept his loss was politically unforgivable.

                            I think he was cheated.

                            You want to call me a liar?

                            If you said something dishonest, yes.

                            Being called a liar isn't an insult, it's an objective description of a person's behavior. In your case, if you don't think he was cheated, but said you did (as you did just now), you would be lying about your feelings. I have to presume you honestly think he was cheated, therefore you aren't lying about your opinion.

                            Trump, however, said dozens, hundreds, thousands of lies. Not just stated as opinion, but as fact. Spouting off so many untruths makes him, objectively, a liar.

                            Perhaps y'all do things a bit different up North, but down here, if you call a man a liar to his face, you may not enjoy the consequences.

                            Keep that in mind, should you ever move to the South.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • George KG George K

                              By the way, AOC has tweeted about the border crisis challenge since Biden took office exactly .... twice.

                              Not that I'm cynical, but, it's almost like she was using this for political purposes.

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                              @george-k said in Not Cages:

                              By the way, AOC has tweeted about the border crisis challenge since Biden took office exactly .... twice.
                              Not that I'm cynical, but, it's almost like she was using this for political purposes.

                              From the RWEC: "Why has AOC gone AWOL now, when this crisis gives her a perfect opportunity to build some credibility as an activist? One has to wonder whether she’s looking for a position in the Biden administration, or whether she has some trouble heading her way and wants to lower her profile ahead of it. If it’s not either of those, then the only answer is that AOC’s an opportunist when opportunism involves zero cost. And that might be the simplest answer of all."

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                              • George KG George K

                                @george-k said in Not Cages:

                                By the way, AOC has tweeted about the border crisis challenge since Biden took office exactly .... twice.
                                Not that I'm cynical, but, it's almost like she was using this for political purposes.

                                From the RWEC: "Why has AOC gone AWOL now, when this crisis gives her a perfect opportunity to build some credibility as an activist? One has to wonder whether she’s looking for a position in the Biden administration, or whether she has some trouble heading her way and wants to lower her profile ahead of it. If it’s not either of those, then the only answer is that AOC’s an opportunist when opportunism involves zero cost. And that might be the simplest answer of all."

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                                Jolly
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                                #21

                                @george-k said in Not Cages:

                                @george-k said in Not Cages:

                                By the way, AOC has tweeted about the border crisis challenge since Biden took office exactly .... twice.
                                Not that I'm cynical, but, it's almost like she was using this for political purposes.

                                From the RWEC: "Why has AOC gone AWOL now, when this crisis gives her a perfect opportunity to build some credibility as an activist? One has to wonder whether she’s looking for a position in the Biden administration, or whether she has some trouble heading her way and wants to lower her profile ahead of it. If it’s not either of those, then the only answer is that AOC’s an opportunist when opportunism involves zero cost. And that might be the simplest answer of all."

                                The Famous Razor...

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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