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Vatican says it will not bless same-sex unions, calling homosexuality a 'sin' and a 'choice'

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #1

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/15/europe/vatican-same-sex-unions-decision-intl/index.html

    The Vatican said Monday that the Catholic Church would not bless same-sex unions, in a combative statement approved by Pope Francis that threatens to widen the chasm between the church and much of the LGBTQ community.

    Explaining their decision in a lengthy note on Monday, the Holy See referred to homosexuality as a "choice," described it as sinful and said it "cannot be recognized as objectively ordered" to God's plans. The stance is certain to disappoint millions of gay and lesbian Catholics around the world.

    "The blessing of homosexual unions cannot be considered licit," the Vatican's top doctrinal office, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, wrote in the statement.
    God "does not and cannot bless sin," the statement added.

    Pope Francis, who has frequently been praised for his welcoming tone towards LGBTQ people both within and outside the Church, approved the note.

    The decision is a setback for Catholics who had hoped the institution would modernize its approach to homosexuality. Dozens of countries, include many in western Europe, have legalized same-sex marriages, and the Church's reticence to embrace LGBTQ people has long held the potential to alienate it from younger followers.

    "It is not licit to impart a blessing on relationships or partnerships, even stable, that involve sexual activity outside of marriage, as is the case of the unions between persons of the same sex," the statement said.

    The statement says that gays and lesbians, as individuals, may receive a blessing if they live according to Church teaching.

    But blessing same-sex unions, the Vatican said, would send a sign that the Catholic Church approves and encourages "a choice and a way of life that cannot be recognized as objectively ordered to the revealed plans of God."

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

    JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
    • 89th8 Offline
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      89th
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      #2

      Seems pretty clear to me, even though I know it’s not trendy.

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      • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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        #3

        In other news, the Church no longer recommends burning heretics at the stake, even though as recently as 2000 Pope John Paul II declared that an Englishman who used to do just that should be made the Patron Saint of Politicians, which certainly gets my vote.

        I was only joking

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        • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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          Doctor Phibes
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          #4

          Just as a vague thought, I wonder what percentage of RC priests are gay.

          Celibacy is a choice. I remain totally unconvinced that homosexuality is, too.

          I was only joking

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            #5

            CC212E9A-06D3-4E15-8AA9-10AF8685941E.jpeg

            You were warned.

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            • L Offline
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              Loki
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              #6

              There are 51 million Americans in the US amongst 1.3 billion in the world. We are 4%.

              I don’t think our memes, snark and opinions are going to be a concern to them. We are pissing in the wind.

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              • jon-nycJ Offline
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                jon-nyc
                wrote on last edited by
                #7

                Maybe the meme posting is less ambitious then that? Instead of sticking it to a billion Catholics maybe I meant to elicit a smile in half a dozen forumites.

                You were warned.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  Maybe the meme posting is less ambitious then that? Instead of sticking it to a billion Catholics maybe I meant to elicit a smile in half a dozen forumites.

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  #8

                  @jon-nyc said in Vatican says it will not bless same-sex unions, calling homosexuality a 'sin' and a 'choice':

                  half a dozen forumites

                  👋

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/15/europe/vatican-same-sex-unions-decision-intl/index.html

                    The Vatican said Monday that the Catholic Church would not bless same-sex unions, in a combative statement approved by Pope Francis that threatens to widen the chasm between the church and much of the LGBTQ community.

                    Explaining their decision in a lengthy note on Monday, the Holy See referred to homosexuality as a "choice," described it as sinful and said it "cannot be recognized as objectively ordered" to God's plans. The stance is certain to disappoint millions of gay and lesbian Catholics around the world.

                    "The blessing of homosexual unions cannot be considered licit," the Vatican's top doctrinal office, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, wrote in the statement.
                    God "does not and cannot bless sin," the statement added.

                    Pope Francis, who has frequently been praised for his welcoming tone towards LGBTQ people both within and outside the Church, approved the note.

                    The decision is a setback for Catholics who had hoped the institution would modernize its approach to homosexuality. Dozens of countries, include many in western Europe, have legalized same-sex marriages, and the Church's reticence to embrace LGBTQ people has long held the potential to alienate it from younger followers.

                    "It is not licit to impart a blessing on relationships or partnerships, even stable, that involve sexual activity outside of marriage, as is the case of the unions between persons of the same sex," the statement said.

                    The statement says that gays and lesbians, as individuals, may receive a blessing if they live according to Church teaching.

                    But blessing same-sex unions, the Vatican said, would send a sign that the Catholic Church approves and encourages "a choice and a way of life that cannot be recognized as objectively ordered to the revealed plans of God."

                    JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
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                    #9

                    @george-k said in Vatican says it will not bless same-sex unions, calling homosexuality a 'sin' and a 'choice':

                    https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/15/europe/vatican-same-sex-unions-decision-intl/index.html

                    The Vatican said Monday that the Catholic Church would not bless same-sex unions, in a combative statement approved by Pope Francis that threatens to widen the chasm between the church and much of the LGBTQ community.

                    Explaining their decision in a lengthy note on Monday, the Holy See referred to homosexuality as a "choice," described it as sinful and said it "cannot be recognized as objectively ordered" to God's plans. The stance is certain to disappoint millions of gay and lesbian Catholics around the world.

                    "The blessing of homosexual unions cannot be considered licit," the Vatican's top doctrinal office, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, wrote in the statement.
                    God "does not and cannot bless sin," the statement added.

                    Pope Francis, who has frequently been praised for his welcoming tone towards LGBTQ people both within and outside the Church, approved the note.

                    The decision is a setback for Catholics who had hoped the institution would modernize its approach to homosexuality. Dozens of countries, include many in western Europe, have legalized same-sex marriages, and the Church's reticence to embrace LGBTQ people has long held the potential to alienate it from younger followers.

                    "It is not licit to impart a blessing on relationships or partnerships, even stable, that involve sexual activity outside of marriage, as is the case of the unions between persons of the same sex," the statement said.

                    The statement says that gays and lesbians, as individuals, may receive a blessing if they live according to Church teaching.

                    But blessing same-sex unions, the Vatican said, would send a sign that the Catholic Church approves and encourages "a choice and a way of life that cannot be recognized as objectively ordered to the revealed plans of God."

                    I find no fault in this decision.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                    taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      Maybe the meme posting is less ambitious then that? Instead of sticking it to a billion Catholics maybe I meant to elicit a smile in half a dozen forumites.

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                      Loki
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #10

                      @jon-nyc said in Vatican says it will not bless same-sex unions, calling homosexuality a 'sin' and a 'choice':

                      Maybe the meme posting is less ambitious then that? Instead of sticking it to a billion Catholics maybe I meant to elicit a smile in half a dozen forumites.

                      Oh I loved your meme. It was shared.

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        @george-k said in Vatican says it will not bless same-sex unions, calling homosexuality a 'sin' and a 'choice':

                        https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/15/europe/vatican-same-sex-unions-decision-intl/index.html

                        The Vatican said Monday that the Catholic Church would not bless same-sex unions, in a combative statement approved by Pope Francis that threatens to widen the chasm between the church and much of the LGBTQ community.

                        Explaining their decision in a lengthy note on Monday, the Holy See referred to homosexuality as a "choice," described it as sinful and said it "cannot be recognized as objectively ordered" to God's plans. The stance is certain to disappoint millions of gay and lesbian Catholics around the world.

                        "The blessing of homosexual unions cannot be considered licit," the Vatican's top doctrinal office, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, wrote in the statement.
                        God "does not and cannot bless sin," the statement added.

                        Pope Francis, who has frequently been praised for his welcoming tone towards LGBTQ people both within and outside the Church, approved the note.

                        The decision is a setback for Catholics who had hoped the institution would modernize its approach to homosexuality. Dozens of countries, include many in western Europe, have legalized same-sex marriages, and the Church's reticence to embrace LGBTQ people has long held the potential to alienate it from younger followers.

                        "It is not licit to impart a blessing on relationships or partnerships, even stable, that involve sexual activity outside of marriage, as is the case of the unions between persons of the same sex," the statement said.

                        The statement says that gays and lesbians, as individuals, may receive a blessing if they live according to Church teaching.

                        But blessing same-sex unions, the Vatican said, would send a sign that the Catholic Church approves and encourages "a choice and a way of life that cannot be recognized as objectively ordered to the revealed plans of God."

                        I find no fault in this decision.

                        taiwan_girlT Offline
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                        taiwan_girl
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #11

                        @jolly said in Vatican says it will not bless same-sex unions, calling homosexuality a 'sin' and a 'choice':

                        @george-k said in Vatican says it will not bless same-sex unions, calling homosexuality a 'sin' and a 'choice':

                        https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/15/europe/vatican-same-sex-unions-decision-intl/index.html

                        The Vatican said Monday that the Catholic Church would not bless same-sex unions, in a combative statement approved by Pope Francis that threatens to widen the chasm between the church and much of the LGBTQ community.

                        Explaining their decision in a lengthy note on Monday, the Holy See referred to homosexuality as a "choice," described it as sinful and said it "cannot be recognized as objectively ordered" to God's plans. The stance is certain to disappoint millions of gay and lesbian Catholics around the world.

                        "The blessing of homosexual unions cannot be considered licit," the Vatican's top doctrinal office, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, wrote in the statement.
                        God "does not and cannot bless sin," the statement added.

                        Pope Francis, who has frequently been praised for his welcoming tone towards LGBTQ people both within and outside the Church, approved the note.

                        The decision is a setback for Catholics who had hoped the institution would modernize its approach to homosexuality. Dozens of countries, include many in western Europe, have legalized same-sex marriages, and the Church's reticence to embrace LGBTQ people has long held the potential to alienate it from younger followers.

                        "It is not licit to impart a blessing on relationships or partnerships, even stable, that involve sexual activity outside of marriage, as is the case of the unions between persons of the same sex," the statement said.

                        The statement says that gays and lesbians, as individuals, may receive a blessing if they live according to Church teaching.

                        But blessing same-sex unions, the Vatican said, would send a sign that the Catholic Church approves and encourages "a choice and a way of life that cannot be recognized as objectively ordered to the revealed plans of God."

                        I find no fault in this decision.

                        I agree with what Jolly said.

                        That is the church principle. I may not agree with what they said, but as an organization, they can express their opinion.

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                          #12

                          The interesting part is whether the Pope fully agreed with it or not, because he had been hinting otherwise.

                          I was only joking

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