The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems
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wrote on 15 Mar 2021, 16:24 last edited by
If Mr. Trump said that he loved AZ, Mr. Biden would ban it in a heartbeat.
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wrote on 15 Mar 2021, 23:45 last edited by
I think there is a better than even chance that before the week is out these countries will re-authorize the vaccine. I wouldn’t bet on but it’s a hunch.
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wrote on 15 Mar 2021, 23:54 last edited by
I suspect you are right.
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wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 00:09 last edited by
Bottom line: Ship out the stuff we have stored.
Only question is who needs it the most?
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wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 00:57 last edited by
Yeah this is as stupid as it is typical.
A medical ethicist is someone who fails trolley problems for a living.
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Yeah this is as stupid as it is typical.
A medical ethicist is someone who fails trolley problems for a living.
wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 00:58 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
A medical ethicist is someone who fails trolley problems for a living.
(Pretty) cheap Scotch everywhere tonight.
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wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 01:39 last edited by
Yeah, but there is something really odd about all of the issues AZ keeps happening. All the European resistance to the vaccine, all the times AZ has shot themselves in the foot with seemingly minor missteps...It really feels like there is a story behind the scenes that we may never know.
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wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 12:35 last edited by
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wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 12:42 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
And yet you aren’t hearing anything about clotting with Moderna and Pfizer...
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@jon-nyc said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
And yet you aren’t hearing anything about clotting with Moderna and Pfizer...
wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 12:46 last edited by@lufins-dad said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
And yet you aren’t hearing anything about clotting with Moderna and Pfizer...
Maybe they've got better media contacts.
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@lufins-dad said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
And yet you aren’t hearing anything about clotting with Moderna and Pfizer...
Maybe they've got better media contacts.
wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 12:48 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
@lufins-dad said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
And yet you aren’t hearing anything about clotting with Moderna and Pfizer...
Maybe they've got better media contacts.
Well, that’s part of what I am wondering. Why is AZ having so many difficulties? Real or perceived?
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wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 15:34 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened. Now maybe a couple of days to a week will make little difference but the appearance of calling out a big bad wolf and saying they can’t shoot it is a horrible look.
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@jon-nyc said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened. Now maybe a couple of days to a week will make little difference but the appearance of calling out a big bad wolf and saying they can’t shoot it is a horrible look.
wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 15:39 last edited by Doctor Phibes@loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened.
The British NHS is currently doing very well, so I don't think you can pin the blame on single-payer government-funded systems.
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@loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened.
The British NHS is currently doing very well, so I don't think you can pin the blame on single-payer government-funded systems.
wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 17:06 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
@loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened.
The British NHS is currently doing very well, so I don't think you can pin the blame on single-payer government-funded systems.
I’ve lauded Great Britain every step of the way on approvals and wished the US just took their analysis. Would have saved many US lives for sure and excess deaths used to be the benchmark until the election.
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wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 17:22 last edited by xenon
I just don't see the risk of the AZ vaccine being anywhere near the large magnitude of the benefits.
There's a shot clock on a mutation that can change the game here. It may never come - but the possibility is always there.
Everyone needs to be vaccinated ASAP.
Lockdowns have some pretty real side effects.
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wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 18:28 last edited by
Right now you are dealing with a statistically significant portion of the population in Europe (and the US) that is very nervous about any COVID vaccine. Continuing to push on approval for a vaccine that is getting this bad press can cause more damage to the overall vaccination effort than benefit. Let the processes work and show confidence in those processes.
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wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 18:33 last edited by xenon
I get you - but I didn't realize that Europe is the beating heart of anti-vax sentiment.
The reports of the AZ thing are things like "a person got a shot then a few days later got a brain bleed". With social media - all it takes is a few anecdotes to make a story.
With millions of people getting vaccinated - you'll always be able to connect dots.
I just haven't seen the data to say that the reported things weren't coincidence.
I think officials suspending an approved vaccine without clear evidence feeds into undermining confidence.
But I do get what you're saying LD - you have to keep trust as high as possible. This is a tough one.
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Right now you are dealing with a statistically significant portion of the population in Europe (and the US) that is very nervous about any COVID vaccine. Continuing to push on approval for a vaccine that is getting this bad press can cause more damage to the overall vaccination effort than benefit. Let the processes work and show confidence in those processes.
wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 19:46 last edited by@lufins-dad said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Right now you are dealing with a statistically significant portion of the population in Europe (and the US) that is very nervous about any COVID vaccine. Continuing to push on approval for a vaccine that is getting this bad press can cause more damage to the overall vaccination effort than benefit. Let the processes work and show confidence in those processes.
The panic is based out of complete ignorance on the part of those concerned. The vaccine is new to them, so they're freaking the hell out. But none of the technology is new. Literally at all. It'd be like being afraid of buying a 2022 model Camry because you just now learned that cars run off of a combustion engine, and explosions scare you.
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wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 19:56 last edited by
Vaccine passports takes care of this very nicely. We’ve tried coaxing. Time to move on or all our lives and livelihoods will be majorly impacted.
Enough already.
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wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 21:28 last edited by
@loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
We’ve tried coaxing.
The vast majority of Americans haven't even had the opportunity to make an appointment. Many states are still in 1C.