The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...

[Rainman]

@doctor-phibes said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

@lufins-dad said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

Question 1) Would you accept a kidney transplant from a donor that had been murdered?

Question 2) Would you accept a kidney transplant from a Doctor that purchased the kidney from a murderer?

The actual question is whether you would tell other people not to accept a kidney transplant from somebody who was murdered. As I said before, the Bishop can do what he likes with his own life.

Phibes is correct, it's the reality of the situation.

[Doctor Phibes]

@jolly said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

@doctor-phibes said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

@jolly said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

Medical ethics is not always one-fits-all .

This is true.

I also think the Jehovah's witnesses are misguided idiots regarding their opinions regarding blood transfusions.

Anybody care to defend them?

Yes.

I've been where the rubber meets the road. We've had multiple JH patients over the years that badly needed transfusions. Most of the tine, the doc looks them in the eye and tells them it's get the blood or die. Most take the blood.

But more than one has said no. And of those, most died.

I respect that. Their faith may be misguided, in my opinion, but they durn sure have it.

Unless of course they're refusing the treatment on behalf of somebody else, who is either too young or is incapacitated to such an extent to prevent them from making the decision for themselves, in which case common sense would hopefully prevail.

[Jolly]

@doctor-phibes said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

@jolly said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

@doctor-phibes said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

@jolly said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

Medical ethics is not always one-fits-all .

This is true.

I also think the Jehovah's witnesses are misguided idiots regarding their opinions regarding blood transfusions.

Anybody care to defend them?

Yes.

I've been where the rubber meets the road. We've had multiple JH patients over the years that badly needed transfusions. Most of the tine, the doc looks them in the eye and tells them it's get the blood or die. Most take the blood.

But more than one has said no. And of those, most died.

I respect that. Their faith may be misguided, in my opinion, but they durn sure have it.

Unless of course they're refusing the treatment on behalf of somebody else, who is either too young or is incapacitated to such an extent to prevent them from making the decision for themselves, in which case common sense would hopefully prevail.

Been there, too. That takes intervention by the court.

[George K]

@jolly said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

Most of the tine, the doc looks them in the eye and tells them it's get the blood or die. Most take the blood.

Been there - "If you don't get a transfusion tonight, you're going to die. Are you prepared for that?"

He refused the transfusion.

Miraculously, he survived the surgery for about 3 days. He continued to bleed (ruptured AAA) and then, in the ICU, against his wishes, he was given a transfusion. Died anyway.

No, I don't know if there was any fallout from that.

[Loki]

@doctor-phibes said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

@jolly said in The Immorality of the J&J Vaccine ...:

Medical ethics is not always one-fits-all .

This is true.

I also think the Jehovah's witnesses are misguided idiots regarding their opinions regarding blood transfusions.

Anybody care to defend them?

I’d like to buy an argument please.