Et tu, Andrew?
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@george-k said in Et tu, Andrew?:
@mik said in Et tu, Andrew?:
Says they did. There should be a record.
Should be. Unless it's sealed somewhere, or the dog ate it.
Fortunately, the Governor has shown a propensity of hiring very honest staff that does not try to distort or hide incidents that could be damaging to Cuomo.
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The devil is in the details as to what it means to be ‘confirmed’.
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I have paid zero attention to this story. Rightly or wrongly, sexual harassment stories bore me to death -- not least because they are so tediously SSDD. So what I say here may or may not be on the mark.
I'll tell you flat that a woman can shut down a man faster than hell if she isn't interested -- with no ambiguity. If she doesn't shut him down, it's because some part of her wants to play. Some part of her is intrigued or wish-fulfilled or avaricious or crazy or whatever. The man takes her up on her signals, and if she becomes displeased at some point, she's all wah, wah, wah and the guy ends up holding the bag.
That's the bones of it.
That's not to say a man can't be a pig or that there aren't exceptions to the above. But generally, only the dumbest douches on earth will try to power through a woman's cold disinterest, if it is sincere. If she isn't playing games.
In my years of working out in the world, I never had this problem. And I'm not the last word in gorgeousness, but I'm no dog, either. Early on especially, I was your average cute young thing. But the way I dressed and the way I behaved, it just was never a problem. Once in a while a man would make an overture, but I shut it down fast, and that was that.
Talking now about the sleazoids -- not about friendly, respectful sorta flirty.
That's why I have no use for women who run shrieking about sexual harassment. They're largely a bunch of hypocrites, and stupidly behaving ones at that.
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@catseye3 said in Et tu, Andrew?:
I have paid zero attention to this story. Rightly or wrongly, sexual harassment stories bore me to death -- not least because they are so tediously SSDD. So what I say here may or may not be on the mark.
I'll tell you flat that a woman can shut down a man faster than hell if she isn't interested -- with no ambiguity. If she doesn't shut him down, it's because some part of her wants to play. Some part of her is intrigued or wish-fulfilled or avaricious or crazy or whatever. The man takes her up on her signals, and if she becomes displeased at some point, she's all wah, wah, wah and the guy ends up holding the bag.
That's the bones of it.
That's not to say a man can't be a pig or that there aren't exceptions to the above. But generally, only the dumbest douches on earth will try to power through a woman's cold disinterest, if it is sincere. If she isn't playing games.
In my years of working out in the world, I never had this problem. And I'm not the last word in gorgeousness, but I'm no dog, either. Early on especially, I was your average cute young thing. But the way I dressed and the way I behaved, it just was never a problem. Once in a while a man would make an overture, but I shut it down fast, and that was that.
Talking now about the sleazoids -- not about friendly, respectful sorta flirty.
That's why I have no use for women who run shrieking about sexual harassment. They're largely a bunch of hypocrites, and stupidly behaving ones at that.
I have to say I don't agree with any of that.
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@doctor-phibes said in Et tu, Andrew?:
@catseye3 said in Et tu, Andrew?:
I have paid zero attention to this story. Rightly or wrongly, sexual harassment stories bore me to death -- not least because they are so tediously SSDD. So what I say here may or may not be on the mark.
I'll tell you flat that a woman can shut down a man faster than hell if she isn't interested -- with no ambiguity. If she doesn't shut him down, it's because some part of her wants to play. Some part of her is intrigued or wish-fulfilled or avaricious or crazy or whatever. The man takes her up on her signals, and if she becomes displeased at some point, she's all wah, wah, wah and the guy ends up holding the bag.
That's the bones of it.
That's not to say a man can't be a pig or that there aren't exceptions to the above. But generally, only the dumbest douches on earth will try to power through a woman's cold disinterest, if it is sincere. If she isn't playing games.
In my years of working out in the world, I never had this problem. And I'm not the last word in gorgeousness, but I'm no dog, either. Early on especially, I was your average cute young thing. But the way I dressed and the way I behaved, it just was never a problem. Once in a while a man would make an overture, but I shut it down fast, and that was that.
Talking now about the sleazoids -- not about friendly, respectful sorta flirty.
That's why I have no use for women who run shrieking about sexual harassment. They're largely a bunch of hypocrites, and stupidly behaving ones at that.
I have to say I don't agree with any of that.
Yes, you do have to say that you don't agree with any of that.
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@catseye3 said in Et tu, Andrew?:
Okay. Which part?
The part where you said you weren't the last word in gorgeousness. You're totally hot.
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I don't agree with the inference that woman are to blame for sexual harrassment, and that the women who complain are bad people and/or prickteasers.
I was only joking
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@doctor-phibes said in Et tu, Andrew?:
I don't agree with the inference that woman are to blame for sexual harrassment, and that the women who complain are bad people and/or prickteasers.
No, no, I don't think women are to blame for sexual harassment -- though some women do present to larger or lesser degrees in ways that encourage it. My point was that they shouldn't get to respond favorably to sexual overtures and then when things don't go their way, they complain that they were "harassed". If a liaison doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. Be grown up about it, and honest.
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And I agreed that he would have to say that...
All kidding aside, there is a very distinct difference between asking a coworker out and making a pass at them.
As much as we poopoo office romances these days, it is still one of the primary ways that romantic partners meet, for good or ill. It's a fact of life. People are going to be attracted to people they work with. It's how they handle it that isn't okay.
Most of the stuff coming up about Andrew seemed kind of weak sauce to me. He definitely sounded like an ass and worthy of a slap across the face, but he didn't seem to cross the line. The most recent allegation about groping? That crossed a line.
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@lufins-dad said in Et tu, Andrew?:
You're totally hot.
Aw-w-w-w, that's so nice.
So, LuFin, what're you wearing?
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First, I'll point out that I met my wife at work, and having made a complete arse out of myself with her on a work pub crawl, I somehow, for reasons I can still not fully understand, ended up getting her to agree to go out with me.
The problem with Cuomo, and with many situations, is that the person making the move is often the person in power. If a man in power is making all the running, it can be quite difficult to smack him down. It's bad enough when the power play is not sexual in nature.
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Seems like only a few months ago that there was a fierce urgency for impeachment.
Now? Not so much
The impeachment investigation of Gov. Andrew Cuomo will likely take “months” to complete because there are so many allegations against him, the head of the Assembly Judiciary Committee said Tuesday.
“Given the breadth and seriousness of the issues under investigation, we expect that the timing will be in terms of months, rather than weeks,” committee Chairman Charles Lavine (D-Long Island) said during the panel’s first meeting on the matter.
Lavine said he’d served a notice of “non-retaliation” on Cuomo’s office in a bid to prevent intimidation of witnesses to the governor’s alleged wrongdoing.
What? An investigation?
Evidence?
How quaint.
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@doctor-phibes said in Et tu, Andrew?:
First, I'll point out that I met my wife at work, and having made a complete arse out of myself with her on a work pub crawl, I somehow, for reasons I can still not fully understand, ended up getting her to agree to go out with me.
The problem with Cuomo, and with many situations, is that the person making the move is often the person in power. If a man in power is making all the running, it can be quite difficult to smack him down. It's bad enough when the power play is not sexual in nature.
Guys with power and money have been getting laid more than the rest of us, since time began. I have no problem with it. Seems like many women find power and money to be powerful aphrodisiacs.
The problem comes when a man (or woman) uses his position as a cudgel to get what he wants. The person on the receiving end of his "affections" should have the power to say "No", without any negative repercussions.
As an example, if Cuomo was actually hitting on some SYT and she shut that off like twisting a faucet handle, the sexual harassment line is crossed whenever her dismissal of his overtures has any negative effects upon her job or career. Or if he persists after being firmly rejected. Now, I know that's not the definition of sexual harassment as contained within the law...That definition is anything perceived by the recipient as sexual harassment is sexual harassment. IMO, that definition is too broad, along with being unfair and essentially unworkable.
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Another woman:
A woman accusing Gov. Cuomo of grabbing her face and kissing her without her consent is slated to come forward Monday afternoon, adding to the growing number of sexual misconduct claims against the embattled governor.
Attorney Gloria Allred will hold a press conference with the woman at 2:30 p.m. The woman, who is married, will detail how she “was shocked when the Governor suddenly grabbed her face and kissed her in front of her home,” according to a press release.
Allred added that there is a photo of the kiss that will be provided during the briefing. -
Cuomo violated federal, state laws as he sexually harassed multiple women, NY attorney general says
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo sexually harassed at least 11 women and then retaliated against a former employee who complained publicly about his conduct, according to a bombshell report released Tuesday by state Attorney General Letitia James.
The monthslong probe concluded that Cuomo “sexually harassed multiple women, and in doing so violated federal and state law,” James said at a press conference. Her office noted, however, that there were no specific penalties tied to the report.
The 165-page report, which comprises interviews with 179 witnesses and a review of tens of thousands of documents, also said that Cuomo’s office was riddled with fear and intimidation, and was a hostile work environment for many staffers.
Cuomo harassed members of his own staff, members of the public and other state employees, one of whom was a state trooper, the report alleges. He engaged in nonconsensual groping, kissing and hugging, and made inappropriate comments toward numerous women, according to the report.
The findings reveal “a deeply disturbing, yet clear, picture,” James said, describing Cuomo’s office as “a toxic workplace.”
Cuomo’s office did not immediately respond to CNBC’s request for comment on the attorney general’s report.
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I can't believe this guy's still clinging to power.
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@doctor-phibes said in Et tu, Andrew?:
I can't believe this guy's still clinging to power.
He's a Democrat. Different rulebook.
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