Who killed Ashli Babbitt?
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I haven't avoided it at all.
The rules for an officer to discharge his weapon is if he is in imminent danger, if innocent life is at stake or if (in some jurisdictions) a fugitive is in flight. I think you know that.
The question in Babbitt 's case is how much danger did she pose? Did she pose a danger to the officer or to the people he was protecting? Did she have a weapon! Why didn't any other officer discharge his weapon that day? Why did he shoot, when other officers were standing right next to her and could have been hit by a pass-through?
Is there a difference between a Trump mob and an Antifa mob? Apparently, one is to be exterminated and one is to be celebrated. That seems to be the sentiment among some.
Would I have shot Ashli Babbitt?
No. Not on that side of the window and not with other officers standing next to her. Would I have shot her on the other side of the window?
Probably.
But in no way should a police shooting be an anonymous event.
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Still avoiding the question.
I think we can all divine your answer. It’s something like this:
“Of course it would have been a blood bath had this happened at the White House any time in the last several decades.
So for that reason I would much rather compare this to a random police stop in Tempe, Arizona or some black thugs looting a Banana Republic in Santa Cruz or attacking one of thousands of federal court buildings with no one inside.”
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I gave you an answer. It's not my problem you don't like it.
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You think it would have gotten that far?
Me, neither.
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Tell me, Jon, where would you have shot her?
Would you enjoy that iron smell of hot blood as it splattered on the wall and drained away on the floor? Would you have been delighted at the smell of MAGAT feces, as her anal sphincter relaxed and she soiled her clothes? Would you grin a small, fleeting smile of satisfaction at a deed well done?
Nah, me neither.
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C'mon, Jon...Would you have shot her?
And why?
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I can answer your question even as you avoid mine.
I wouldn’t have enjoyed her death in particular however I think the country would be better off had several of the insurgents shared her fate. It’s not about punishing them at all, it’s about preventing this happening every time the Magats don’t get their way.
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Where is the debate? Put yourself in the officer's position. You have a mob who has broken through the capital or white house outside perimeter, have then breached the inner perimeter, breached the building, have flooded down the hallways and are now literally breaking down the final barrier between the mob and the congress/president you are sworn to protect. You hold up your gun for a few seconds as the first person gets through the barrier.... you shoot.
Like others have said, I'm surprised it wasn't a bigger blood bath. Also, I'd wager the shooting did exactly what it was supposed to do. It absolutely stopped that breach immediately.
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@mik said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
I think it is remarkable that there was only one shooting, even if this particular one is questionable.
It was a miracle for sure.
As to the White House, I always felt like lots of security, challenge to get a tour even. The Capitol one could waltz into in my lifetime, changing slightly of late.
But doofuses taking selfie’s doesn’t jive with the video and audio record. No friendly documentary would even attempt that premise.
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Let's think through this White House scenario. How close can one get to the white house, through the gates, if one is clearly trespassing, before one gets shot by a roof sniper or some other armed guard? Does a "blood bath" entail that after the first person gets gunned down, the rest of the mob follows, charging through the hail of bullets, because that's what magat mobs do?
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@loki said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
As to the White House, I always felt like lots of security, challenge to get a tour even. The Capitol one could waltz into in my lifetime
Yes, I would agree that comparisons between white house invasions and the Capitol invasion should take into account level of security. Otherwise we're comparing bad apples to Orange Man Bad.
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Ah, the Truth trots out.
It's only MAGATs that need killing, is it? Maybe that's just politics or just plain Trump hate, I dunno. Me, I'm biased and I admit it...The January riot was not a planned event. That's been proven by investigation. It was spontaneous.
And in comparison to the Antifa, which stack bricks beforehand, the Trump supporters are not trying to tear down the country or the Constitution. Far, far from it.
They believe in fair elections. They believe in vote integrity. They also believe that the 2020 election was probably stolen. I've got a gut feeling they're probably right in their beliefs.
And let me make a firm statement...If the majority of people listening to Trump that day had decided to hang every Democrat in the Congress, there wouldn't have been a damn thing anybody could have done about it. It would have been like a Chinese human wave attack in Korea or the Red Army rolling over the Wehrmacht on the Russian steppes.
But they didn't. Most assembled peaceably, protested and left the same way.
So no, I don't think the foundations of the Republic were shaken by a goofy dude with shaman's horns parading around in his underwear with an American flag or some idiot with his feet up on Pelosi's desk.
To be honest, I hope it scared the Hell out of them, because I'd like for them to remember they are not part of the ruling class, but serve at the pleasure of the people. Even doofusses taking selfies.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
By the way I would feel the same if it was some BLM vermin rather than a Magat vermin. I hold them in similar disregard.
Hmm. I'm sure you believe that. But there is no leader of BLM you hold in similar disregard as you hold the Magat leader.
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@jolly said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Ah, the Truth trots out.
It's only MAGATs that need killing, is it? Maybe that's just politics or just plain Trump hate, I dunno. Me, I'm biased and I admit it...The January riot was not a planned event. That's been proven by investigation. It was spontaneous.
And in comparison to the Antifa, which stack bricks beforehand, the Trump supporters are not trying to tear down the country or the Constitution. Far, far from it.
They believe in fair elections. They believe in vote integrity. They also believe that the 2020 election was probably stolen. I've got a gut feeling they're probably right in their beliefs.
And let me make a firm statement...If the majority of people listening to Trump that day had decided to hang every Democrat in the Congress, there wouldn't have been a damn thing anybody could have done about it. It would have been like a Chinese human wave attack in Korea or the Red Army rolling over the Wehrmacht on the Russian steppes.
But they didn't. Most assembled peaceably, protested and left the same way.
So no, I don't think the foundations of the Republic were shaken by a goofy dude with shaman's horns parading around in his underwear with an American flag or some idiot with his feet up on Pelosi's desk.
To be honest, I hope it scared the Hell out of them, because I'd like for them to remember they are not part of the ruling class, but serve at the pleasure of the people. Even doofusses taking selfies.
Ok so I learned something. Jolly says the spontaneous nature of Jan 6 is a variable. It’s worth exploring as it does differentiate an insurrection.
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@loki said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@jolly said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Ah, the Truth trots out.
It's only MAGATs that need killing, is it? Maybe that's just politics or just plain Trump hate, I dunno. Me, I'm biased and I admit it...The January riot was not a planned event. That's been proven by investigation. It was spontaneous.
And in comparison to the Antifa, which stack bricks beforehand, the Trump supporters are not trying to tear down the country or the Constitution. Far, far from it.
They believe in fair elections. They believe in vote integrity. They also believe that the 2020 election was probably stolen. I've got a gut feeling they're probably right in their beliefs.
And let me make a firm statement...If the majority of people listening to Trump that day had decided to hang every Democrat in the Congress, there wouldn't have been a damn thing anybody could have done about it. It would have been like a Chinese human wave attack in Korea or the Red Army rolling over the Wehrmacht on the Russian steppes.
But they didn't. Most assembled peaceably, protested and left the same way.
So no, I don't think the foundations of the Republic were shaken by a goofy dude with shaman's horns parading around in his underwear with an American flag or some idiot with his feet up on Pelosi's desk.
To be honest, I hope it scared the Hell out of them, because I'd like for them to remember they are not part of the ruling class, but serve at the pleasure of the people. Even doofusses taking selfies.
Ok so I learned something. Jolly says the spontaneous nature of Jan 6 is a variable. It’s worth exploring as it does differentiate an insurrection.
You want to know what an insurrection looks like?
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@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
89 - what do you think would have happened had a similar situation presented itself at the White House?
People would've been shot on the lawn. It would've been a massacre. Not that it's needed, but I've had enough white house special access tours to know this.
