Who killed Ashli Babbitt?
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There seem to be different standards for LEO vs the Secret Service and Capitol Police. None of you took note of that fact last year when each were involved in a shooting.
@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
There seem to be different standards for LEO vs the Secret Service and Capitol Police. None of you took note of that fact last year when each were involved in a shooting.
The media too? That’s news to me. I’m trying to figure out how that works with social media as well.
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@renauda said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Less than a year ago the Secret Service shot a man outside the white house complex that they deemed a threat.
They didn't release the shooter's name.
That could be an inconvenient fact for some who feel they have a need to know about the Babbitt shooting.
I am certain that an internal investigation has already taken place and the officer involved has been accordingly cleared of any wrong doing. I realise there are people who feel and insist they have a need to know about this, but at the end of the day they do not have any need, let alone any right to know about a lot of internal police and security matters.
So with other police shootings the media demands immediate release of not just names but body cams, 911 calls and all evidence and any delay is excoriated. You disagreed with all that I assume?
@loki said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@renauda said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Less than a year ago the Secret Service shot a man outside the white house complex that they deemed a threat.
They didn't release the shooter's name.
That could be an inconvenient fact for some who feel they have a need to know about the Babbitt shooting.
I am certain that an internal investigation has already taken place and the officer involved has been accordingly cleared of any wrong doing. I realise there are people who feel and insist they have a need to know about this, but at the end of the day they do not have any need, let alone any right to know about a lot of internal police and security matters.
So with other police shootings the media demands immediate release of not just names but body cams, 911 calls and all evidence and any delay is excoriated. You disagreed with all that I assume?
Yes as a matter of fact I did and continue to disagee.
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Miriam Carey... Still don't know who shot her, either.
@lufins-dad said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Miriam Carey
Case in point and that happened in 2013.
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@lufins-dad said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Miriam Carey
Case in point and that happened in 2013.
@renauda said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@lufins-dad said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Miriam Carey
Case in point and that happened in 2013.
And that was with potential lawsuits and ALOT of media attention.
No, I don’t have a problem with the identity being kept quiet. I just wish that the same standard be applied towards police at the local level until the cases are fully investigated. How many officers have had their lives ruined because of the quick judgement of the mob that almost always winds up being based on incorrect facts.
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@renauda said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@lufins-dad said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Miriam Carey
Case in point and that happened in 2013.
And that was with potential lawsuits and ALOT of media attention.
No, I don’t have a problem with the identity being kept quiet. I just wish that the same standard be applied towards police at the local level until the cases are fully investigated. How many officers have had their lives ruined because of the quick judgement of the mob that almost always winds up being based on incorrect facts.
@lufins-dad said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@renauda said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@lufins-dad said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Miriam Carey
Case in point and that happened in 2013.
And that was with potential lawsuits and ALOT of media attention.
No, I don’t have a problem with the identity being kept quiet. I just wish that the same standard be applied towards police at the local level until the cases are fully investigated. How many officers have had their lives ruined because of the quick judgement of the mob that almost always winds up being based on incorrect facts.
I don't have a problem with keeping them anonymous, as long as the investigation is genuine, and there are safeguards against a whitewash (no pun intended)
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@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Honestly when a large mob overwhelms the force protecting a branch of government a hail of indiscriminate gunfire is probably indicated.
Would anybody expect otherwise had it been the White House?
Security was abhorrent. The Mayor begged for no national guard presence. Capitol police was biased based on prior events of this nature. Right wing unrest was building for decades.
The 250+ arrested were 2/3 over 34, only 13% members of right wing groups, 40% were biz owners and or white collar, and only 9% unemployed. I can only imagine the other thousands were probably even more of that nature. Not your typical riot crowd if you were evaluating your invaders in real time.
@loki said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Honestly when a large mob overwhelms the force protecting a branch of government a hail of indiscriminate gunfire is probably indicated.
Would anybody expect otherwise had it been the White House?
Security was abhorrent. The Mayor begged for no national guard presence. Capitol police was biased based on prior events of this nature. Right wing unrest was building for decades.
The 250+ arrested were 2/3 over 34, only 13% members of right wing groups, 40% were biz owners and or white collar, and only 9% unemployed. I can only imagine the other thousands were probably even more of that nature. Not your typical riot crowd if you were evaluating your invaders in real time.
The one thing they all had in common though was they all drank the orange koolaid. I hear it's powerful stuff.
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@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Less than a year ago the Secret Service shot a man outside the white house complex that they deemed a threat.
They didn't release the shooter's name.
That could be an inconvenient fact for some who feel they have a need to know about the Babbitt shooting.
I am certain that an internal investigation has already taken place and the officer involved has been accordingly cleared of any wrong doing. I realise there are people who feel and insist they have a need to know about this, but at the end of the day they do not have any need, let alone any right to know about a lot of internal police and security matters.
@renauda said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Less than a year ago the Secret Service shot a man outside the white house complex that they deemed a threat.
They didn't release the shooter's name.
That could be an inconvenient fact for some who feel they have a need to know about the Babbitt shooting.
I am certain that an internal investigation has already taken place and the officer involved has been accordingly cleared of any wrong doing. I realise there are people who feel and insist they have a need to know about this, but at the end of the day they do not have any need, let alone any right to know about a lot of internal police and security matters.
You argue in the face of the fact we know the name of the officer in any public police shooting (within U.S., U.S. citizen).
So, why not in this case?
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@renauda said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Less than a year ago the Secret Service shot a man outside the white house complex that they deemed a threat.
They didn't release the shooter's name.
That could be an inconvenient fact for some who feel they have a need to know about the Babbitt shooting.
I am certain that an internal investigation has already taken place and the officer involved has been accordingly cleared of any wrong doing. I realise there are people who feel and insist they have a need to know about this, but at the end of the day they do not have any need, let alone any right to know about a lot of internal police and security matters.
You argue in the face of the fact we know the name of the officer in any public police shooting (within U.S., U.S. citizen).
So, why not in this case?
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@loki said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Honestly when a large mob overwhelms the force protecting a branch of government a hail of indiscriminate gunfire is probably indicated.
Would anybody expect otherwise had it been the White House?
Security was abhorrent. The Mayor begged for no national guard presence. Capitol police was biased based on prior events of this nature. Right wing unrest was building for decades.
The 250+ arrested were 2/3 over 34, only 13% members of right wing groups, 40% were biz owners and or white collar, and only 9% unemployed. I can only imagine the other thousands were probably even more of that nature. Not your typical riot crowd if you were evaluating your invaders in real time.
The one thing they all had in common though was they all drank the orange koolaid. I hear it's powerful stuff.
@nobodyssock said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@loki said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Honestly when a large mob overwhelms the force protecting a branch of government a hail of indiscriminate gunfire is probably indicated.
Would anybody expect otherwise had it been the White House?
Security was abhorrent. The Mayor begged for no national guard presence. Capitol police was biased based on prior events of this nature. Right wing unrest was building for decades.
The 250+ arrested were 2/3 over 34, only 13% members of right wing groups, 40% were biz owners and or white collar, and only 9% unemployed. I can only imagine the other thousands were probably even more of that nature. Not your typical riot crowd if you were evaluating your invaders in real time.
The one thing they all had in common though was they all drank the orange koolaid. I hear it's powerful stuff.
Tell ya what...Scenario...Any city within America...
BLM riot. Protester breaks into a public building, be it courthouse, be it police station, whatever. An officer of the court fires on an unarmed BLM protester and kills them.
I'd like to hear your argument about why the matter would not be made public.
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@jolly Did you read the thread? This doesn’t seem to be unusual in the case of Secret Service or Capitol police.
@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@jolly Did you read the thread? This doesn’t seem to be unusual in the case of Secret Service or Capitol police.
I don't believe in different standards for officers of the court, when the shooting occurs on American territory against an American citizen.
Period.
To do otherwise, is madness. Ruby Ridge Redux.
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Does America normally name it's secret service agents?
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Glad to here it. There's not much chance of being a tip-top Secret Agent if your name appears in the papers.
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Glad to here it. There's not much chance of being a tip-top Secret Agent if your name appears in the papers.
@doctor-phibes said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Glad to here it. There's not much chance of being a tip-top Secret Agent if your name appears in the papers.
They're not secret agents. The Secret Service works for Homeland Security.
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@doctor-phibes said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Glad to here it. There's not much chance of being a tip-top Secret Agent if your name appears in the papers.
They're not secret agents. The Secret Service works for Homeland Security.
Well, they shouldn't call themselves the Secret Service then. You certainly wouldn't catch James Bond messing about with this hoi polloi rabble.
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Well, they shouldn't call themselves the Secret Service then. You certainly wouldn't catch James Bond messing about with this hoi polloi rabble.
I don’t know what the standard procedure is for these kinds of officers. But, in this singular case, as someone else mentioned earlier, this man would have millions of nutters out to get him if his name became public, regardless of whether he was justified in the shooting or not. For this man and his families own safety, it is only common sense not to release his name to the public.
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I don’t know what the standard procedure is for these kinds of officers. But, in this singular case, as someone else mentioned earlier, this man would have millions of nutters out to get him if his name became public, regardless of whether he was justified in the shooting or not. For this man and his families own safety, it is only common sense not to release his name to the public.
@nobodyssock said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
I don’t know what the standard procedure is for these kinds of officers. But, in this singular case, as someone else mentioned earlier, this man would have millions of nutters out to get him if his name became public, regardless of whether he was justified in the shooting or not. For this man and his families own safety, it is only common sense not to release his name to the public.
Millions?
Idiot.
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I don’t know what the standard procedure is for these kinds of officers. But, in this singular case, as someone else mentioned earlier, this man would have millions of nutters out to get him if his name became public, regardless of whether he was justified in the shooting or not. For this man and his families own safety, it is only common sense not to release his name to the public.
@nobodyssock said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
I don’t know what the standard procedure is for these kinds of officers. But, in this singular case, as someone else mentioned earlier, this man would have millions of nutters out to get him if his name became public, regardless of whether he was justified in the shooting or not. For this man and his families own safety, it is only common sense not to release his name to the public.
That depends somewhat on who you kill, or who you are accused of killing.
Some police get their own wiki
