RIP Rush.
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Clearly, Rush said some pretty reprehensible stuff. I'm not totally clear why "conservatives" have to pretend otherwise.
I'm happy to concede that Michael Moore is a complete twat, I don't really understand why we feel the need to defend Rush, except for it possibly to be in rather poor taste to speak ill of the dead, which is why I never say anything bad about Hitler.
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@doctor-phibes said in RIP Rush.:
Clearly, Rush said some pretty reprehensible stuff. I'm not totally clear why we have to pretend otherwise.
I'm happy to concede that Michael Moore is a complete twat, I don't really understand why we feel the need to defend Rush, except for it possibly to be in rather poor taste to speak ill of the dead, which is why I never say anything bad about Hitler.
Well Rush produced way, way more content than Michael Moore. They are both reprehensible to their other tribes, I am sure, but Rush was way better looking.
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@aqua-letifer said in RIP Rush.:
"They [black people] are 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?"
Without context this could go either way.
Is he rejecting racism or encouraging it?
Either way, I bet this topic stirred up a lot of listeners and sold advertising.
Yes, I know the 12% number is used in discussions of quotas.
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If the kindest thing you can say about Rush is that he was better looking than Michael Moore, it might be better to just draw the curtains, pull the lever, and let the coffin roll on to its final destination.
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@doctor-phibes said in RIP Rush.:
@doctor-phibes said in RIP Rush.:
@aqua-letifer said in RIP Rush.:
he was not a nutter.
"They [black people] are 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?"
"He is exaggerating the effects of the disease. He's moving all around and shaking and it's purely an act. ... This is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting."
"Holocaust 90 million Indians? Only four million left? They all have casinos, what's to complain about?"
Not sure the first paragraph is honest. The next two, well, four hours a day, and I don't know what MJF was saying at the time. We should ask Larry about the Indians but he was already driven off by the liberals who don't like him.
Oh, do fuck off. Honestly, Larry doled out way more vitriol than anything he received from me and "all the liberals" here.
By the way, imagine how your would have reacted if Larry was Black. Just imagine.
I'd no doubt have accompanied him on the banjo-ukelele as he sang a famous rendition of 'Way down on the Suwannee River'.
Don't pull the fucking race card.
Why not?
Over the years, do you know how many people thought Larry was black?
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@aqua-letifer said in RIP Rush.:
@aqua-letifer said in RIP Rush.:
I have no idea what that refers to at all.
Fox testified in Congress opposing the Bush administrations ban on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. Note, there was no "ban" on this research; it was a ban of federal funding for it. For his testimony, advocating more funds for embryonic stem cell research, he stopped his medications to exaggerate the ravages of his Parkinson's disease. It was theater.
Almost 20 years later, has ESC research made any progress in the treatment of Parkinson's?
I'll consider this relevant as soon as we get back to the other two quotes I referenced. If they aren't relevant than neither is any of this.
George asked for context. I don't think you have provided any.
Besides, the man was on the air for three hours a day, five days a week for thirty years. You want to go hunting crap to stake out a position? I'm sure you could find just about anything you wanted.
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@doctor-phibes said in RIP Rush.:
@doctor-phibes said in RIP Rush.:
@aqua-letifer said in RIP Rush.:
he was not a nutter.
"They [black people] are 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?"
"He is exaggerating the effects of the disease. He's moving all around and shaking and it's purely an act. ... This is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting."
"Holocaust 90 million Indians? Only four million left? They all have casinos, what's to complain about?"
Not sure the first paragraph is honest. The next two, well, four hours a day, and I don't know what MJF was saying at the time. We should ask Larry about the Indians but he was already driven off by the liberals who don't like him.
Oh, do fuck off. Honestly, Larry doled out way more vitriol than anything he received from me and "all the liberals" here.
By the way, imagine how your would have reacted if Larry was Black. Just imagine.
I'd no doubt have accompanied him on the banjo-ukelele as he sang a famous rendition of 'Way down on the Suwannee River'.
Don't pull the fucking race card.
Why not?
Over the years, do you know how many people thought Larry was black?
Basically, Horace is calling me a racist. Not 'liberals in general'. Me. In a moderately nice way admittedly, but that's what he's doing. It's probably not what he intended, but the fact that I took issue with something Larry wrote has nothing whatsoever to do with his skin colour. Maybe we should ask why we don't take issue with questionable things that people on our own side write, rather than try to bring the American obsession with race into the discussion.
And I wasn't nasty about Larry. All I did was say he'd posted some rather nasty stuff, which I completely stand by. He took offence, I didn't intend to give it.
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A lack of self awareness. Not a lack of decency, which I fully believe you have. I think you absolutely would not have had an identical reaction to Larry if you thought he was African American. You would have donned the kid gloves.
Can't speak for Phibes (though I can guess), but for me that is bullshit of the purest ray serene.
As for Limbaugh: I wouldn't have wished his illness and suffering and death on him, but I'm not grieving, either. To me he was annoying.
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I remember at least one poster calling the late poster Whacky Iraqi a "sand nigger" before it was revealed that he was actually English, and white.
So much for the kid glove theory.
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A lack of self awareness. Not a lack of decency, which I fully believe you have. I think you absolutely would not have had an identical reaction to Larry if you thought he was African American. You would have donned the kid gloves.
Can't speak for Phibes (though I can guess), but for me that is bullshit of the purest ray serene.
Didn't have to pull a race card with Larry, he waved his indigenous ancestry in everyone's face. Granted he was self-deprecating about it but he nevertheless did it regularly.
“Little by little I am learning the art of being quite content by doing very little slowly” ~ Lionel Hardcastle
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@doctor-phibes said in RIP Rush.:
I remember at least one poster calling the late poster Whacky Iraqi a "sand nigger" before it was revealed that he was actually English, and white.
So much for the kid glove theory.
sand n-word does not mean African American.
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A lack of self awareness. Not a lack of decency, which I fully believe you have. I think you absolutely would not have had an identical reaction to Larry if you thought he was African American. You would have donned the kid gloves.
Can't speak for Phibes (though I can guess), but for me that is bullshit of the purest ray serene.
Didn't have to pull a race card with Larry, he waved his indigenous ancestry in everyone's face. Granted he was self-deprecating about it but he nevertheless did it regularly.
Nobody cares about Larry's ancestry. My point, hopefully obviously, was to illustrate that African Americans, at least within America, are considered exceptional. Any of them who manages to reach the echelons of middle class existence are so much more than welcome. I don't work with a lot of them, in fact it's extraordinary when one is hired into a technical position. When I worked at the headquarters campus, the African American people were in maintenance and reception. I don't believe this is because hiring managers were intentionally trying to not hire them into technical positions. I blame it on pop culture and how it views African Americans, the hopelessness, which is relentlessly reinforced. Telling kids that they are going to be repressed is really bad.
These sorts of ideas are not original to me, lots of smart African Americans would concur. It's just that the media doesn't tell anybody about it.
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@horace I've hired two black engineers, and I actually had to let one of them go for poor performance.
Your assertion that I would somehow not argue with Larry if he was black was very peculiar.
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@doctor-phibes said in RIP Rush.:
@horace I've hired two black engineers, and I actually had to fire one of them for poor performance.
Your assumption that I would somehow not argue with Larry if he was black was very peculiar.
Well I've already said you didn't argue with him to begin with. I'm mostly speaking to native born Americans.
I've watched African American colleagues get treated differently in meetings. I've never worked directly with a single one, to be honest, but we had some company training meeting (not race related) and there were two in the meeting I was in. There were about 20 people in the meeting and the leader, a white female, was so effusive in her praise of everything the black person said. Another white male in the meeting randomly yelled out how much he hated Trump. These things don't happen in real meetings.
Then again, I'm in California. Personally, I would relish the opportunity to work with an African American. My company is working hard to make that happen.
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Yeah, we're having a big diversity drive at our place too. I think it's a sign of the times. I haven't found working with minorities to be any different from working with all the other foreigners I'm forced to deal with on a daily basis. People still occasionally ask me if I know "John", from London. I told a couple of them no, and furthermore that I can't stand Londoners. They looked surprised.
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Somewhat related
Not specifically about Rush Limbaugh, but interesting article about when people start believing their own lies and why they do.
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When people believe something about themselves, they don’t want to give it up, even in the face of evidence against their belief. One of the key aspects behind this phenomenon is our use of “motivated reasoning.” The definition of motivated reasoning I like best is writer Tim Harford’s, from a fascinating piece detailing how the world’s top authority on Dutch painters managed to convince himself a forged Johannes Vermeer painting was the real thing when it so obviously wasn’t. “Motivated reasoning is thinking through a topic with the aim of reaching a particular conclusion,” Harford explains. You know what you want to be true, so you let the outcome you desire guide your thinking.If you’re certain that you’re smarter than most other people and you tune out all evidence that contradicts that, why wouldn’t you believe yourself? This explains how blind spots become entrenched in one’s thinking.
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