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Big Brother IS watching!

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    xenon
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    Is this Patriot Act based?

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      Important question: Subpoena or not?

      Important point: Lots of federal law places banks squarely in the role of crime detection and reporting per legal requirement (e.g. anti-money laundering).

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        Important question: Subpoena or not?

        Important point: Lots of federal law places banks squarely in the role of crime detection and reporting per legal requirement (e.g. anti-money laundering).

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        @jon-nyc said in Big Brother IS watching!:

        Important question: Subpoena or not?

        https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-bank-of-america-customer-data-feds-capitol-riot

        In the days after the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol, Bank of America went through its own customers' financial and transaction records. These were the private records of Americans who had committed no crime; people who, as far as we know, had absolutely nothing to do with what happened at the Capitol. But at the request of federal investigators, Bank of America searched its databases looking for people who fit a specific profile.

        If it were a subpoena, do you think the article would have said it was such, rather than "a request?"

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          Would they had been so diligent with the BLM riots.

          Bad, bad precedent.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            @jon-nyc said in Big Brother IS watching!:

            Important question: Subpoena or not?

            https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-bank-of-america-customer-data-feds-capitol-riot

            In the days after the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol, Bank of America went through its own customers' financial and transaction records. These were the private records of Americans who had committed no crime; people who, as far as we know, had absolutely nothing to do with what happened at the Capitol. But at the request of federal investigators, Bank of America searched its databases looking for people who fit a specific profile.

            If it were a subpoena, do you think the article would have said it was such, rather than "a request?"

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            @george-k

            Unclear. It’s not like Tucker is adverse to sensationalism.

            But really I don’t know the exact requirements of the law. Like I said, Federal law straight up treats banks as an enforcement arm.

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              Yes, for specific actions or patterns. Not where were you when in the absence of any other indicator.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                I can totally believe that Bank America did it, “subpoenaed” or “requested.”

                Still, I want to see collaboration by another source. Tucker Carlson doesn’t have that good a track record on separating facts from conspiracy theories.

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                • MikM Mik

                  Yes, for specific actions or patterns. Not where were you when in the absence of any other indicator.

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                  @mik said in Big Brother IS watching!:

                  Yes, for specific actions or patterns. Not where were you when in the absence of any other indicator.

                  They have 60MM customers and turned over info on 211. Thats a pretty fine comb.

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
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                    @mik said in Big Brother IS watching!:

                    Yes, for specific actions or patterns. Not where were you when in the absence of any other indicator.

                    They have 60MM customers and turned over info on 211. Thats a pretty fine comb.

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                    @jon-nyc what difference does that make?

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      Just that they clearly were asked to look for a very specific pattern, not just, say, people visiting DC.

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        @mik said in Big Brother IS watching!:

                        Yes, for specific actions or patterns. Not where were you when in the absence of any other indicator.

                        They have 60MM customers and turned over info on 211. Thats a pretty fine comb.

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                        @jon-nyc said in Big Brother IS watching!:

                        @mik said in Big Brother IS watching!:

                        Yes, for specific actions or patterns. Not where were you when in the absence of any other indicator.

                        They have 60MM customers and turned over info on 211. Thats a pretty fine comb.

                        Yeah I don’t think we have the right to know who the 211 make up as it’s probably in our best interests to have it dealt with. Maybe a trusted person can review (justice roberts?) and tell us all is well.

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