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Big Brother IS watching!

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    Carlson broke this story last night.

    tl;dr version.

    Bank of America searched for its customers were on Jan 6. If you were in DC, or anywhere near DC, bought airline tickets or booked a hotel, Air BnB...

    Start watching at 2:59.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      xenon
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      #2

      Is this Patriot Act based?

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        #3

        Important question: Subpoena or not?

        Important point: Lots of federal law places banks squarely in the role of crime detection and reporting per legal requirement (e.g. anti-money laundering).

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Important question: Subpoena or not?

          Important point: Lots of federal law places banks squarely in the role of crime detection and reporting per legal requirement (e.g. anti-money laundering).

          George KG Offline
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          George K
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          @jon-nyc said in Big Brother IS watching!:

          Important question: Subpoena or not?

          https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-bank-of-america-customer-data-feds-capitol-riot

          In the days after the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol, Bank of America went through its own customers' financial and transaction records. These were the private records of Americans who had committed no crime; people who, as far as we know, had absolutely nothing to do with what happened at the Capitol. But at the request of federal investigators, Bank of America searched its databases looking for people who fit a specific profile.

          If it were a subpoena, do you think the article would have said it was such, rather than "a request?"

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • MikM Away
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            Mik
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            Would they had been so diligent with the BLM riots.

            Bad, bad precedent.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • George KG George K

              @jon-nyc said in Big Brother IS watching!:

              Important question: Subpoena or not?

              https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-bank-of-america-customer-data-feds-capitol-riot

              In the days after the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol, Bank of America went through its own customers' financial and transaction records. These were the private records of Americans who had committed no crime; people who, as far as we know, had absolutely nothing to do with what happened at the Capitol. But at the request of federal investigators, Bank of America searched its databases looking for people who fit a specific profile.

              If it were a subpoena, do you think the article would have said it was such, rather than "a request?"

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              jon-nyc
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              @george-k

              Unclear. It’s not like Tucker is adverse to sensationalism.

              But really I don’t know the exact requirements of the law. Like I said, Federal law straight up treats banks as an enforcement arm.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • MikM Away
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                Mik
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                #7

                Yes, for specific actions or patterns. Not where were you when in the absence of any other indicator.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  I can totally believe that Bank America did it, “subpoenaed” or “requested.”

                  Still, I want to see collaboration by another source. Tucker Carlson doesn’t have that good a track record on separating facts from conspiracy theories.

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                  • MikM Mik

                    Yes, for specific actions or patterns. Not where were you when in the absence of any other indicator.

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                    @mik said in Big Brother IS watching!:

                    Yes, for specific actions or patterns. Not where were you when in the absence of any other indicator.

                    They have 60MM customers and turned over info on 211. Thats a pretty fine comb.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      @mik said in Big Brother IS watching!:

                      Yes, for specific actions or patterns. Not where were you when in the absence of any other indicator.

                      They have 60MM customers and turned over info on 211. Thats a pretty fine comb.

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                      Mik
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                      @jon-nyc what difference does that make?

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        jon-nyc
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                        #11

                        Just that they clearly were asked to look for a very specific pattern, not just, say, people visiting DC.

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          @mik said in Big Brother IS watching!:

                          Yes, for specific actions or patterns. Not where were you when in the absence of any other indicator.

                          They have 60MM customers and turned over info on 211. Thats a pretty fine comb.

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                          @jon-nyc said in Big Brother IS watching!:

                          @mik said in Big Brother IS watching!:

                          Yes, for specific actions or patterns. Not where were you when in the absence of any other indicator.

                          They have 60MM customers and turned over info on 211. Thats a pretty fine comb.

                          Yeah I don’t think we have the right to know who the 211 make up as it’s probably in our best interests to have it dealt with. Maybe a trusted person can review (justice roberts?) and tell us all is well.

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