Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • Users
  • Groups
Skins
  • Light
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse

The New Coffee Room

  1. TNCR
  2. General Discussion
  3. The "Revenge Mother"

The "Revenge Mother"

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved General Discussion
12 Posts 9 Posters 93 Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • George KG Offline
    George KG Offline
    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #1

    How is it that I never heard of this??

    https://allthatsinteresting.com/marianne-bachmeier

    On March 6, 1981, Marianne Bachmeier opened fire in a crowded courthouse in what was then known as West Germany. Her target was a 35-year-old sex offender on trial for her daughter’s murder, and he died after taking six of her bullets.

    In addition to the case’s ethical conundrum, there was also a legal debate about whether the shooting was premeditated or not and whether it was murder or manslaughter. Different rulings carried different punishments. Decades later, a friend featured in a documentary about the case claimed to have witnessed Bachmeier perform target practice with a gun in her pub cellar before the shooting.
    The court ultimately convicted Bachmeier of premeditated manslaughter and sentenced her to six years behind bars in 1983.
    After her death, Marianne Bachmeier was buried next to her daughter in Lübeck.
    According to a survey by the Allensbach Institute, a majority of 28 percent of Germans deemed her six-year sentencing as an appropriate penalty for her actions. Another 27 percent considered the sentence too heavy while 25 percent viewed it as too light.
    In June 1985, Marianne Bachmeier was released from prison after serving only half of her sentence. She moved to Nigeria, where she married and remained until the 1990s. After she divorced her husband, Bachmeier relocated to Sicily where she stayed until she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, upon which she returned to a now-unified Germany.
    With precious little time left, Bachmeier requested Lukas Maria Böhmer, a reporter for NDR, to film her last weeks alive. She died on Sept. 17, 1996, at the age of 46. She was buried next to her daughter, Anna.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

    1 Reply Last reply
    • Catseye3C Offline
      Catseye3C Offline
      Catseye3
      wrote on last edited by Catseye3
      #2

      A part of me always has a sneaking admiration for revenge-takers. Maybe not in these circs -- crowded environment, where you're putting others at risk. But there's something, I don't know, pure about the eye-for-an-eye thing, when the thing taken from you is a beloved one.

      I don't advocate it! But I sort of understand it.

      I could also see myself doing it.

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

      brendaB taiwan_girlT 2 Replies Last reply
      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #3

        Agreed. I think it’s deep inside us to do so.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

        jodiJ 1 Reply Last reply
        • Catseye3C Catseye3

          A part of me always has a sneaking admiration for revenge-takers. Maybe not in these circs -- crowded environment, where you're putting others at risk. But there's something, I don't know, pure about the eye-for-an-eye thing, when the thing taken from you is a beloved one.

          I don't advocate it! But I sort of understand it.

          I could also see myself doing it.

          brendaB Offline
          brendaB Offline
          brenda
          wrote on last edited by brenda
          #4

          @catseye3 Oh yeah, especially when the murdered daughter was just a child.

          The daughter was about 7 years old.

          1 Reply Last reply
          • brendaB Offline
            brendaB Offline
            brenda
            wrote on last edited by
            #5

            For those who don't remember this case:

            Wiki -- On 5 May 1980, Anna Bachmeier did not go to school to spite her mother. When trying to visit a friend her own age, Anna was abducted by Klaus Grabowski, a 35-year-old butcher. He is said to have held Anna for several hours at home and then strangled her with a pair of tights. According to the Prosecutor he had tied the girl tight, packed her into a box, which he then buried on the canal bank in a shallow grave.

            Klaus Grabowski was a convicted sex offender and had previously been sentenced for the sexual abuse of two girls. During his detention, he was castrated in 1976 and, two years later, underwent hormone treatment. Once arrested, Grabowski stated that he did not intend to sexually abuse Anna. He said the girl had wanted to tell her mother that he had touched her inappropriately, with the aim of extorting money from him.

            1 Reply Last reply
            • L Offline
              L Offline
              Loki
              wrote on last edited by
              #6

              I get what she did and she knew she likely would go to jail for at least some time.

              Hard to let someone off even though he was a monster, because it sets a precedence. Glad she got out early and had some semblance of what turned out to be a short life. Seems like her deathbed wish was to tell her version again and let that be her legacy.

              All my comments are based on what is included in this thread.

              1 Reply Last reply
              • jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nyc
                wrote on last edited by
                #7

                I could easily see her getting just a token sentence here, with the right judge and prosecutor. Or not.

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

                George KG 1 Reply Last reply
                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  I could easily see her getting just a token sentence here, with the right judge and prosecutor. Or not.

                  George KG Offline
                  George KG Offline
                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #8

                  @jon-nyc said in The "Revenge Mother":

                  I could easily see her getting just a token sentence here,

                  6 years and released after three.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  • Catseye3C Catseye3

                    A part of me always has a sneaking admiration for revenge-takers. Maybe not in these circs -- crowded environment, where you're putting others at risk. But there's something, I don't know, pure about the eye-for-an-eye thing, when the thing taken from you is a beloved one.

                    I don't advocate it! But I sort of understand it.

                    I could also see myself doing it.

                    taiwan_girlT Offline
                    taiwan_girlT Offline
                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #9

                    @catseye3 said in The "Revenge Mother":

                    A part of me always has a sneaking admiration for revenge-takers. Maybe not in these circs -- crowded environment, where you're putting others at risk. But there's something, I don't know, pure about the eye-for-an-eye thing, when the thing taken from you is a beloved one.

                    I don't advocate it! But I sort of understand it.

                    I could also see myself doing it.

                    Agree.

                    1 Reply Last reply
                    • MikM Mik

                      Agreed. I think it’s deep inside us to do so.

                      jodiJ Offline
                      jodiJ Offline
                      jodi
                      wrote on last edited by jodi
                      #10

                      @mik said in The "Revenge Mother":

                      Agreed. I think it’s deep inside us to do so.

                      Yes. I could see myself doing all sorts of things (that I would never in a million years do normally) if my kids were harmed or in danger.

                      1 Reply Last reply
                      • HoraceH Offline
                        HoraceH Offline
                        Horace
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #11

                        Here's an American precedent I remember.

                        Link to video

                        Education is extremely important.

                        jon-nycJ 1 Reply Last reply
                        • HoraceH Horace

                          Here's an American precedent I remember.

                          Link to video

                          jon-nycJ Online
                          jon-nycJ Online
                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #12

                          @horace

                          5 years probation.

                          That’s what I meant by token.

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          Reply
                          • Reply as topic
                          Log in to reply
                          • Oldest to Newest
                          • Newest to Oldest
                          • Most Votes


                          • Login

                          • Don't have an account? Register

                          • Login or register to search.
                          • First post
                            Last post
                          0
                          • Categories
                          • Recent
                          • Tags
                          • Popular
                          • Users
                          • Groups