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  • KlausK Offline
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    Klaus
    wrote on last edited by Klaus
    #8

    Well, you didn't specify what "Should you be happy?" means.

    If I were a stoic, for instance, all that would matter to make me happy was whether the team played as well as they could, and it wouldn't matter whether they won or lost.

    I figured that "one game each" is better than what is to be expected at the given odds, hence one should be happy.

    But you seem to mean something else.

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    • jon-nycJ Offline
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      jon-nyc
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      #9

      I thought I clarified in my second post.

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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      • KlausK Offline
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        Klaus
        wrote on last edited by Klaus
        #10

        Doesn't really clarify it. Do you mean: Does the news improve the odds that your team will win at least 4 out of the 7 games?

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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          jon-nyc
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          #11

          Yes.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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          • KlausK Offline
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            Klaus
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            #12

            The odds that the news improves the odds is less than 60%, Bayesianistically speaking.

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #13

              I think the odds that you’re odd are even higher.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • KlausK Offline
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                Klaus
                wrote on last edited by
                #14

                That's odd.

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                • KlausK Offline
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                  Klaus
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #15

                  Isn't this just yet another comparison of two "probability of >=k heads in n throws of a biased coin p"?

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                    #16

                    You know what's funny?

                    My kid's old math circle mailed this question out Sunday. I have nobody to ask any clarifying questions of, they send out hints Tuesday and Thursday and an answer Saturday. But somehow I managed.

                    I think there's a skill called 'questionology' that I'm apparently better at than you and Ax.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                      #17

                      You guys should become a comedy troupe!!! 😂 😂

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        You know what's funny?

                        My kid's old math circle mailed this question out Sunday. I have nobody to ask any clarifying questions of, they send out hints Tuesday and Thursday and an answer Saturday. But somehow I managed.

                        I think there's a skill called 'questionology' that I'm apparently better at than you and Ax.

                        KlausK Offline
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                        wrote on last edited by Klaus
                        #18

                        @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time: the baseball fan:

                        I think there's a skill called 'questionology' that I'm apparently better at than you and Ax.

                        The difference is that you know you have nobody to ask for clarification, whereas for us its a small investment to ask a clarifying question compared to investing valuable brain time for questionology. You are not better; you are just in a situation with less options 😉

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                        • KlausK Offline
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                          Klaus
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #19

                          He shouldn't be happy. Probability of winning goes down from 0.29 to 0.179.

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                          • jon-nycJ Offline
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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #20

                            You’re comparing the time before the first game to the time after,

                            Should be the time before the camping trip to the time after.

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                            • HoraceH Offline
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                              #21

                              It mostly depends on whether Tom Brady is the pitcher.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                You’re comparing the time before the first game to the time after,

                                Should be the time before the camping trip to the time after.

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                                #22

                                @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time: the baseball fan:

                                You’re comparing the time before the first game to the time after,

                                Should be the time before the camping trip to the time after.

                                Oh, you are right.

                                Looks like the probabilities are identical, then: both are 0.1792.

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                                  #23

                                  Yeah which is why I posted it.

                                  It’s counter intuitive.

                                  Your team is down by a game, with up to 6 left to play. You come back and your team is still down by a game but only 4 left.

                                  Seems like you’re in a worse position, less opportunity to catch up. But your odds are unchanged.

                                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    Yeah which is why I posted it.

                                    It’s counter intuitive.

                                    Your team is down by a game, with up to 6 left to play. You come back and your team is still down by a game but only 4 left.

                                    Seems like you’re in a worse position, less opportunity to catch up. But your odds are unchanged.

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                                    wrote on last edited by
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                                    @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time: the baseball fan:

                                    Yeah which is why I posted it.

                                    It’s counter intuitive.

                                    Your team is down by a game, with up to 6 left to play. You come back and your team is still down by a game but only 4 left.

                                    Seems like you’re in a worse position, less opportunity to catch up. But you’re odds are unchanged.

                                    Your.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time: the baseball fan:

                                      Yeah which is why I posted it.

                                      It’s counter intuitive.

                                      Your team is down by a game, with up to 6 left to play. You come back and your team is still down by a game but only 4 left.

                                      Seems like you’re in a worse position, less opportunity to catch up. But you’re odds are unchanged.

                                      Your.

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                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #25

                                      @horace said in Puzzle time: the baseball fan:

                                      @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time: the baseball fan:

                                      Yeah which is why I posted it.

                                      It’s counter intuitive.

                                      Your team is down by a game, with up to 6 left to play. You come back and your team is still down by a game but only 4 left.

                                      Seems like you’re in a worse position, less opportunity to catch up. But your odds are unchanged.

                                      You're.

                                      I don't think so.

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                                      • KlausK Klaus

                                        @horace said in Puzzle time: the baseball fan:

                                        @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time: the baseball fan:

                                        Yeah which is why I posted it.

                                        It’s counter intuitive.

                                        Your team is down by a game, with up to 6 left to play. You come back and your team is still down by a game but only 4 left.

                                        Seems like you’re in a worse position, less opportunity to catch up. But your odds are unchanged.

                                        You're.

                                        I don't think so.

                                        HoraceH Offline
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                                        Horace
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #26

                                        @klaus said in Puzzle time: the baseball fan:

                                        @horace said in Puzzle time: the baseball fan:

                                        @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time: the baseball fan:

                                        Yeah which is why I posted it.

                                        It’s counter intuitive.

                                        Your team is down by a game, with up to 6 left to play. You come back and your team is still down by a game but only 4 left.

                                        Seems like you’re in a worse position, less opportunity to catch up. But your odds are unchanged.

                                        You're.

                                        I like pink pokemon.

                                        We know.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #27

                                          You guys are fast. I noticed the error the second I hit post and changed it within 15 seconds.

                                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                          -Cormac McCarthy

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