Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference
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@Larry said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
@xenon said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
Should the guy in office acknowledge this and at least tell the Russians to knock it off?
Or rather - at the very least not say the intelligence community doesn't know they're talking about.
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No.
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When he said they didnt know what they were talking about, he was referring to their attempts to claim he colluded with the Russians, not whether or not they were meddling in the election.
You need to remember a few things, as you seem to be of the opinion that this report proves something negative about Trump. It does not. All it proves is that the Russians meddle in our election in an attempt to help Trump. It does not make the claim that Trump knew this, colluded with the Russians, or that the intelligence community is not guilty of pushing an attempted coup. All it does is prove the Russians meddle in our election, and in their opinion, did so in an attempt to help Trump win. That's old news. The Russians have been meddling in our elections for decades. They meddle in our election tions when Obama won, too. Maybe a Senate committee would prove the did so to help Obama win.
Don't think this proves anything. It doesnt.
Trump's talking about Putin on the subject:
“Every time he sees me he says, 'I didn't do that,' and I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it.”
@xenon said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
@Larry said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
@xenon said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
Should the guy in office acknowledge this and at least tell the Russians to knock it off?
Or rather - at the very least not say the intelligence community doesn't know they're talking about.
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No.
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When he said they didnt know what they were talking about, he was referring to their attempts to claim he colluded with the Russians, not whether or not they were meddling in the election.
You need to remember a few things, as you seem to be of the opinion that this report proves something negative about Trump. It does not. All it proves is that the Russians meddle in our election in an attempt to help Trump. It does not make the claim that Trump knew this, colluded with the Russians, or that the intelligence community is not guilty of pushing an attempted coup. All it does is prove the Russians meddle in our election, and in their opinion, did so in an attempt to help Trump win. That's old news. The Russians have been meddling in our elections for decades. They meddle in our election tions when Obama won, too. Maybe a Senate committee would prove the did so to help Obama win.
Don't think this proves anything. It doesnt.
Trump's talking about Putin on the subject:
“Every time he sees me he says, 'I didn't do that,' and I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it.”
So what's your point? You seem to be agreeing that Trump didn't know anything about it.
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The point is exactly the one in the start of this thread.
Senate committee says Russia interfered. They know. They know because we have intelligence. This intelligence has known this since before Trump got elected.
Trump knew.
He acts like he doesn't.
And disagrees with the IC when they correct him.
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Ah, the weak and the pathetic resort to personal insults when they know they have neither the facts nor the argument behind them. Sad!
@Axtremus said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
Ah, the weak and the pathetic resort to personal insults when they know they have neither the facts nor the argument behind them. Sad!
Isolation does take a heavy toll.
The Shrinks will be VERY busy in a few months.
We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on. -
You have no proof that he knew it. But that doesn't even matter, because he didn't collude with them, or participate in any way. We know for a fact that the FBI attempted to set him up and trap him. That's been proven. We know for a fact that Hillary and the DNC participated in it, having paid million for the "Steele dossier", which was filled with Russian propaganda designed to hurt Trump, not help him.
What the Russians were actually trying to accomplish was to create chaos. And the were counting on the Left/democrats to rush in and greedily give it to them.
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@Axtremus said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
Ah, the weak and the pathetic resort to personal insults when they know they have neither the facts nor the argument behind them. Sad!
Isolation does take a heavy toll.
The Shrinks will be VERY busy in a few months.
@Improviso said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
@Axtremus said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
Ah, the weak and the pathetic resort to personal insults when they know they have neither the facts nor the argument behind them. Sad!
Isolation does take a heavy toll.
The Shrinks will be VERY busy in a few months.
The son of a bitch better hope he can stay isolated from me. I tend to slap people who call me a liar into next week if I can reach them.
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You have no proof that he knew it. But that doesn't even matter, because he didn't collude with them, or participate in any way. We know for a fact that the FBI attempted to set him up and trap him. That's been proven. We know for a fact that Hillary and the DNC participated in it, having paid million for the "Steele dossier", which was filled with Russian propaganda designed to hurt Trump, not help him.
What the Russians were actually trying to accomplish was to create chaos. And the were counting on the Left/democrats to rush in and greedily give it to them.
@Larry said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
You have no proof that he knew it. But that doesn't even matter, because he didn't collude with them, or participate in any way. We know for a fact that the FBI attempted to set him up and trap him. That's been proven. We know for a fact that Hillary and the DNC participated in it, having paid million for the "Steele dossier", which was filled with Russian propaganda designed to hurt Trump, not help him.
What the Russians were actually trying to accomplish was to create chaos. And the were counting on the Left/democrats to rush in and greedily give it to them.
Obama sanctioned them in December 2016 for this. So.... Trump knew it. That's the proof.
Say you have a family dispute - and your asshole neighbor Bob tries to horn in on it and play your family members against one another.
You find out about it. Now Bob is not going to be the deciding factor in your family dispute.
But do you:
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A) Tell Bob to fuck off
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B) Pretend like Bob didn't do anything because Bob won't listen to you and hey, you might have not been nice to him in the past either - so you had it coming. Then you get mad at your own son for uncovering that Bob was meddling.
Maybe there's more options. But Trump chose B
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@Larry said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
You have no proof that he knew it. But that doesn't even matter, because he didn't collude with them, or participate in any way. We know for a fact that the FBI attempted to set him up and trap him. That's been proven. We know for a fact that Hillary and the DNC participated in it, having paid million for the "Steele dossier", which was filled with Russian propaganda designed to hurt Trump, not help him.
What the Russians were actually trying to accomplish was to create chaos. And the were counting on the Left/democrats to rush in and greedily give it to them.
Obama sanctioned them in December 2016 for this. So.... Trump knew it. That's the proof.
Say you have a family dispute - and your asshole neighbor Bob tries to horn in on it and play your family members against one another.
You find out about it. Now Bob is not going to be the deciding factor in your family dispute.
But do you:
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A) Tell Bob to fuck off
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B) Pretend like Bob didn't do anything because Bob won't listen to you and hey, you might have not been nice to him in the past either - so you had it coming. Then you get mad at your own son for uncovering that Bob was meddling.
Maybe there's more options. But Trump chose B
@xenon said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
@Larry said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
You have no proof that he knew it. But that doesn't even matter, because he didn't collude with them, or participate in any way. We know for a fact that the FBI attempted to set him up and trap him. That's been proven. We know for a fact that Hillary and the DNC participated in it, having paid million for the "Steele dossier", which was filled with Russian propaganda designed to hurt Trump, not help him.
What the Russians were actually trying to accomplish was to create chaos. And the were counting on the Left/democrats to rush in and greedily give it to them.
Obama sanctioned them in December 2016 for this. So.... Trump knew it. That's the proof.
Say you have a family dispute - and your asshole neighbor Bob tries to horn in on it and play your family members against one another.
You find out about it. Now Bob is not going to be the deciding factor in your family dispute.
But do you:
-
A) Tell Bob to fuck off
-
B) Pretend like Bob didn't do anything because Bob won't listen to you and hey, you might have not been nice to him in the past either - so you had it coming. Then you get mad at your own son for uncovering that Bob was meddling.
Maybe there's more options. But Trump chose B
Worried about FISA court abuse any?
Haven't noticed that you are. If not, then all this hot air is just the usual Trump-bashing choo-choo train.
Pay no attention to the Swamp actually meddling in an election. No, watch the pretty lights over there, where the MSM tells you to look.
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I responded in the travesty thread:
https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/343/travesty/21?_=1587502379136
My overall sentiment was that I’d wait for the Durham report, because there are few facts and findings at this point.
But that’s a different topic.
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I responded in the travesty thread:
https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/343/travesty/21?_=1587502379136
My overall sentiment was that I’d wait for the Durham report, because there are few facts and findings at this point.
But that’s a different topic.
@xenon said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
I responded in the travesty thread:
https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/343/travesty/21?_=1587502379136
My overall sentiment was that I’d wait for the Durham report, because there are few facts and findings at this point.
But that’s a different topic.
It's all the same ball of wax. The bottom line is what is detrimental to the country.
Keep your eyes on the prize.
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@Larry said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
You have no proof that he knew it. But that doesn't even matter, because he didn't collude with them, or participate in any way. We know for a fact that the FBI attempted to set him up and trap him. That's been proven. We know for a fact that Hillary and the DNC participated in it, having paid million for the "Steele dossier", which was filled with Russian propaganda designed to hurt Trump, not help him.
What the Russians were actually trying to accomplish was to create chaos. And the were counting on the Left/democrats to rush in and greedily give it to them.
Obama sanctioned them in December 2016 for this. So.... Trump knew it. That's the proof.
Say you have a family dispute - and your asshole neighbor Bob tries to horn in on it and play your family members against one another.
You find out about it. Now Bob is not going to be the deciding factor in your family dispute.
But do you:
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A) Tell Bob to fuck off
-
B) Pretend like Bob didn't do anything because Bob won't listen to you and hey, you might have not been nice to him in the past either - so you had it coming. Then you get mad at your own son for uncovering that Bob was meddling.
Maybe there's more options. But Trump chose B
@xenon said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
@Larry said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
You have no proof that he knew it. But that doesn't even matter, because he didn't collude with them, or participate in any way. We know for a fact that the FBI attempted to set him up and trap him. That's been proven. We know for a fact that Hillary and the DNC participated in it, having paid million for the "Steele dossier", which was filled with Russian propaganda designed to hurt Trump, not help him.
What the Russians were actually trying to accomplish was to create chaos. And the were counting on the Left/democrats to rush in and greedily give it to them.
Obama sanctioned them in December 2016 for this. So.... Trump knew it. That's the proof.
Say you have a family dispute - and your asshole neighbor Bob tries to horn in on it and play your family members against one another.
You find out about it. Now Bob is not going to be the deciding factor in your family dispute.
But do you:
-
A) Tell Bob to fuck off
-
B) Pretend like Bob didn't do anything because Bob won't listen to you and hey, you might have not been nice to him in the past either - so you had it coming. Then you get mad at your own son for uncovering that Bob was meddling.
Maybe there's more options. But Trump chose B
Why did Obama wait until the election was over? He'd known what they were doing for over a year. He also knew that the FBI and the CIA were engaging in illegal attempts to entrap innocent people connected to Trump as they tried to trap Trump. Why didn't he do anything about that? Oh wait... he didn't do anythi g about it while it was all happening because he was involved in it. This has been proven by statements made by Susan Rice as well as the two FBI agents caught in the attempted coup.
Your logic on the matter is funny.
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@xenon said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
@Larry said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
You have no proof that he knew it. But that doesn't even matter, because he didn't collude with them, or participate in any way. We know for a fact that the FBI attempted to set him up and trap him. That's been proven. We know for a fact that Hillary and the DNC participated in it, having paid million for the "Steele dossier", which was filled with Russian propaganda designed to hurt Trump, not help him.
What the Russians were actually trying to accomplish was to create chaos. And the were counting on the Left/democrats to rush in and greedily give it to them.
Obama sanctioned them in December 2016 for this. So.... Trump knew it. That's the proof.
Say you have a family dispute - and your asshole neighbor Bob tries to horn in on it and play your family members against one another.
You find out about it. Now Bob is not going to be the deciding factor in your family dispute.
But do you:
-
A) Tell Bob to fuck off
-
B) Pretend like Bob didn't do anything because Bob won't listen to you and hey, you might have not been nice to him in the past either - so you had it coming. Then you get mad at your own son for uncovering that Bob was meddling.
Maybe there's more options. But Trump chose B
Why did Obama wait until the election was over? He'd known what they were doing for over a year. He also knew that the FBI and the CIA were engaging in illegal attempts to entrap innocent people connected to Trump as they tried to trap Trump. Why didn't he do anything about that? Oh wait... he didn't do anythi g about it while it was all happening because he was involved in it. This has been proven by statements made by Susan Rice as well as the two FBI agents caught in the attempted coup.
Your logic on the matter is funny.
@Larry said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
@xenon said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
@Larry said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
You have no proof that he knew it. But that doesn't even matter, because he didn't collude with them, or participate in any way. We know for a fact that the FBI attempted to set him up and trap him. That's been proven. We know for a fact that Hillary and the DNC participated in it, having paid million for the "Steele dossier", which was filled with Russian propaganda designed to hurt Trump, not help him.
What the Russians were actually trying to accomplish was to create chaos. And the were counting on the Left/democrats to rush in and greedily give it to them.
Obama sanctioned them in December 2016 for this. So.... Trump knew it. That's the proof.
Say you have a family dispute - and your asshole neighbor Bob tries to horn in on it and play your family members against one another.
You find out about it. Now Bob is not going to be the deciding factor in your family dispute.
But do you:
-
A) Tell Bob to fuck off
-
B) Pretend like Bob didn't do anything because Bob won't listen to you and hey, you might have not been nice to him in the past either - so you had it coming. Then you get mad at your own son for uncovering that Bob was meddling.
Maybe there's more options. But Trump chose B
Why did Obama wait until the election was over? He'd known what they were doing for over a year. He also knew that the FBI and the CIA were engaging in illegal attempts to entrap innocent people connected to Trump as they tried to trap Trump. Why didn't he do anything about that? Oh wait... he didn't do anythi g about it while it was all happening because he was involved in it. This has been proven by statements made by Susan Rice as well as the two FBI agents caught in the attempted coup.
Your logic on the matter is funny.
That's a huge question... Can it be proven Obama knew the skulduggery was going on?
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@Larry said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
@xenon said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
@Larry said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
You have no proof that he knew it. But that doesn't even matter, because he didn't collude with them, or participate in any way. We know for a fact that the FBI attempted to set him up and trap him. That's been proven. We know for a fact that Hillary and the DNC participated in it, having paid million for the "Steele dossier", which was filled with Russian propaganda designed to hurt Trump, not help him.
What the Russians were actually trying to accomplish was to create chaos. And the were counting on the Left/democrats to rush in and greedily give it to them.
Obama sanctioned them in December 2016 for this. So.... Trump knew it. That's the proof.
Say you have a family dispute - and your asshole neighbor Bob tries to horn in on it and play your family members against one another.
You find out about it. Now Bob is not going to be the deciding factor in your family dispute.
But do you:
-
A) Tell Bob to fuck off
-
B) Pretend like Bob didn't do anything because Bob won't listen to you and hey, you might have not been nice to him in the past either - so you had it coming. Then you get mad at your own son for uncovering that Bob was meddling.
Maybe there's more options. But Trump chose B
Why did Obama wait until the election was over? He'd known what they were doing for over a year. He also knew that the FBI and the CIA were engaging in illegal attempts to entrap innocent people connected to Trump as they tried to trap Trump. Why didn't he do anything about that? Oh wait... he didn't do anythi g about it while it was all happening because he was involved in it. This has been proven by statements made by Susan Rice as well as the two FBI agents caught in the attempted coup.
Your logic on the matter is funny.
That's a huge question... Can it be proven Obama knew the skulduggery was going on?
@Jolly said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
@Larry said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
@xenon said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
@Larry said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
You have no proof that he knew it. But that doesn't even matter, because he didn't collude with them, or participate in any way. We know for a fact that the FBI attempted to set him up and trap him. That's been proven. We know for a fact that Hillary and the DNC participated in it, having paid million for the "Steele dossier", which was filled with Russian propaganda designed to hurt Trump, not help him.
What the Russians were actually trying to accomplish was to create chaos. And the were counting on the Left/democrats to rush in and greedily give it to them.
Obama sanctioned them in December 2016 for this. So.... Trump knew it. That's the proof.
Say you have a family dispute - and your asshole neighbor Bob tries to horn in on it and play your family members against one another.
You find out about it. Now Bob is not going to be the deciding factor in your family dispute.
But do you:
-
A) Tell Bob to fuck off
-
B) Pretend like Bob didn't do anything because Bob won't listen to you and hey, you might have not been nice to him in the past either - so you had it coming. Then you get mad at your own son for uncovering that Bob was meddling.
Maybe there's more options. But Trump chose B
Why did Obama wait until the election was over? He'd known what they were doing for over a year. He also knew that the FBI and the CIA were engaging in illegal attempts to entrap innocent people connected to Trump as they tried to trap Trump. Why didn't he do anything about that? Oh wait... he didn't do anythi g about it while it was all happening because he was involved in it. This has been proven by statements made by Susan Rice as well as the two FBI agents caught in the attempted coup.
Your logic on the matter is funny.
That's a huge question... Can it be proven Obama knew the skulduggery was going on?
Yes.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/russia-trump-collusion-investigation/
The Meuller investigation brought the rope. John Brennan hung it around Obama's neck.
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@xenon said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
@Larry said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
You have no proof that he knew it. But that doesn't even matter, because he didn't collude with them, or participate in any way. We know for a fact that the FBI attempted to set him up and trap him. That's been proven. We know for a fact that Hillary and the DNC participated in it, having paid million for the "Steele dossier", which was filled with Russian propaganda designed to hurt Trump, not help him.
What the Russians were actually trying to accomplish was to create chaos. And the were counting on the Left/democrats to rush in and greedily give it to them.
Obama sanctioned them in December 2016 for this. So.... Trump knew it. That's the proof.
Say you have a family dispute - and your asshole neighbor Bob tries to horn in on it and play your family members against one another.
You find out about it. Now Bob is not going to be the deciding factor in your family dispute.
But do you:
-
A) Tell Bob to fuck off
-
B) Pretend like Bob didn't do anything because Bob won't listen to you and hey, you might have not been nice to him in the past either - so you had it coming. Then you get mad at your own son for uncovering that Bob was meddling.
Maybe there's more options. But Trump chose B
Why did Obama wait until the election was over? He'd known what they were doing for over a year. He also knew that the FBI and the CIA were engaging in illegal attempts to entrap innocent people connected to Trump as they tried to trap Trump. Why didn't he do anything about that? Oh wait... he didn't do anythi g about it while it was all happening because he was involved in it. This has been proven by statements made by Susan Rice as well as the two FBI agents caught in the attempted coup.
Your logic on the matter is funny.
@Larry said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
@xenon said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
@Larry said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
You have no proof that he knew it. But that doesn't even matter, because he didn't collude with them, or participate in any way. We know for a fact that the FBI attempted to set him up and trap him. That's been proven. We know for a fact that Hillary and the DNC participated in it, having paid million for the "Steele dossier", which was filled with Russian propaganda designed to hurt Trump, not help him.
What the Russians were actually trying to accomplish was to create chaos. And the were counting on the Left/democrats to rush in and greedily give it to them.
Obama sanctioned them in December 2016 for this. So.... Trump knew it. That's the proof.
Say you have a family dispute - and your asshole neighbor Bob tries to horn in on it and play your family members against one another.
You find out about it. Now Bob is not going to be the deciding factor in your family dispute.
But do you:
-
A) Tell Bob to fuck off
-
B) Pretend like Bob didn't do anything because Bob won't listen to you and hey, you might have not been nice to him in the past either - so you had it coming. Then you get mad at your own son for uncovering that Bob was meddling.
Maybe there's more options. But Trump chose B
Why did Obama wait until the election was over? He'd known what they were doing for over a year. He also knew that the FBI and the CIA were engaging in illegal attempts to entrap innocent people connected to Trump as they tried to trap Trump. Why didn't he do anything about that? Oh wait... he didn't do anythi g about it while it was all happening because he was involved in it. This has been proven by statements made by Susan Rice as well as the two FBI agents caught in the attempted coup.
Your logic on the matter is funny.
So - you’re going to work from the premise that intelligence was out to get Trump.
Then yes - my logic doesn’t work. Like the Senate, you have to believe the IC for my logic to work.
In light of that your defense of Trump also makes sense.
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@xenon said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
Me and the GOP Senators both
Which GOP senators do you know of who have said the intelligence community didn't engage in the things I've shown? They certainly didn't say it in this report.
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Well, yes, you have. But pushing that aside, I think everyone knows that and has for a long time. Years even. So what? Do you think they didn't interfere as much as they could in every election since WWII? The outrage over this is simply deliberate naivete.
@Mik said in Senate Intelligence report on 2016 Russian election interference:
Well, yes, you have. But pushing that aside, I think everyone knows that and has for a long time. Years even. So what? Do you think they didn't interfere as much as they could in every election since WWII? The outrage over this is simply deliberate naivete.
Only other claims I've made are about Trump's reaction.
Which bucks that conventional and obvious wisdom - (on Putin):
“Every time he sees me he says, 'I didn't do that,' and I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it.”
And I don't think Russian meddling is benign and it is different with social media. They run troll farms to stoke political divisions and create sharable content on facebook, reddit and the like.
What were they going to do in the 50's against us? Run TV ads? And we were in a literal nuclear standoff with them, along with proxy wars. So I don’t think our leaders were saying nice things about them at the time.
I’m not saying you go to war with Russia or even sanction them like Obama did.
A good start would be acknowledging it and not undermining your own intelligence over it.
