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    Jolly
    wrote on 28 Jan 2021, 20:35 last edited by Jolly
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    Democrats were all in for then-candidate Joe Biden. Their goal was simple: get President Donald Trump out of office. They were willing to do anything and everything to make sure that happened. And now, four Texas Democrats are regretting their decision to back Biden. The reason: his latest executive order putting a halt to federal land being leased to oil and gas companies for energy.

    The four members of Congress – Reps. Vincente Gonzalez, Lizzie Fletcher, Henry Cuellar, and Marc Veasey – sent a letter to Biden, asking him to rescind the order.

    "Media reports indicate that the Administration plans to announce a new proposal to ban responsible energy leasing, including oil and gas leasing, from our federal waters and lands indefinitely," the letter stated. "A federal ban for any period of time will certainly imperil hundreds of thousands of jobs, entire communities, and billions of dollars in royalty revenues to the Federal Treasury and eliminate funding for important conservation programs such as the Land and Water Conservation Fund (LWCF)."

    The order will result in a GDP loss of $700 billion and the federal government will lose its biggest revenue generator, the letter stated. One of the other concerns they share is America returning to dependence on foreign oil.

    According to the members, New Mexico is being disproportionately impacted, predominantly because of its land makeup and lack of income.

    "Additionally, New Mexico, a small, poor state that receives a huge portion of their revenue for things like funding Albuquerque schools, will find this rule devastating. Such a rule could also tighten supplies, send heating and cooling bills up, and cause a spike in fuel prices during a pandemic," they explained. "Furthermore, this benefits Big Oil over small independents that did not have the resources to stockpile permits. We should instead work to make sure we create jobs by hiring more inspectors to make sure methane emissions at the well head and other rules that allow for cleaner extraction are taking place."

    "As the United States works to emerge from the COVID-19 pandemic, which has killed more than 400,000 Americans and destroyed the livelihoods of many more, now is not the time to jeopardize American jobs, or the critical tax and royalty revenues that federal leases generate for local, state, and federal government that need funds now. Instead, we should invest in our nation’s infrastructure and create the jobs that will help our nation emerge stronger after this pandemic."

    Recommended Quadruple Murderer Is NYT’s Profile in Courage Ann Coulter The members said they were happy the Biden administration rejoined the Paris Climate Accord but they want to see the president "reject policies that would ban responsible oil and gas leasing on federal lands and federal waters." That includes rescinding the current order.

    The Ute Indian Tribe, the second largest Indian reservation in the United States, shared similar concerns. Not only are they worried about the job loss, but they also expressed frustration with their sovereignty being threatened.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2021/01/27/why-four-democrats-are-suddenly-regretting-supporting-joe-biden-n2583828

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • J Jolly
      28 Jan 2021, 20:35

      Democrats were all in for then-candidate Joe Biden. Their goal was simple: get President Donald Trump out of office. They were willing to do anything and everything to make sure that happened. And now, four Texas Democrats are regretting their decision to back Biden. The reason: his latest executive order putting a halt to federal land being leased to oil and gas companies for energy.

      The four members of Congress – Reps. Vincente Gonzalez, Lizzie Fletcher, Henry Cuellar, and Marc Veasey – sent a letter to Biden, asking him to rescind the order.

      "Media reports indicate that the Administration plans to announce a new proposal to ban responsible energy leasing, including oil and gas leasing, from our federal waters and lands indefinitely," the letter stated. "A federal ban for any period of time will certainly imperil hundreds of thousands of jobs, entire communities, and billions of dollars in royalty revenues to the Federal Treasury and eliminate funding for important conservation programs such as the Land and Water Conservation Fund (LWCF)."

      The order will result in a GDP loss of $700 billion and the federal government will lose its biggest revenue generator, the letter stated. One of the other concerns they share is America returning to dependence on foreign oil.

      According to the members, New Mexico is being disproportionately impacted, predominantly because of its land makeup and lack of income.

      "Additionally, New Mexico, a small, poor state that receives a huge portion of their revenue for things like funding Albuquerque schools, will find this rule devastating. Such a rule could also tighten supplies, send heating and cooling bills up, and cause a spike in fuel prices during a pandemic," they explained. "Furthermore, this benefits Big Oil over small independents that did not have the resources to stockpile permits. We should instead work to make sure we create jobs by hiring more inspectors to make sure methane emissions at the well head and other rules that allow for cleaner extraction are taking place."

      "As the United States works to emerge from the COVID-19 pandemic, which has killed more than 400,000 Americans and destroyed the livelihoods of many more, now is not the time to jeopardize American jobs, or the critical tax and royalty revenues that federal leases generate for local, state, and federal government that need funds now. Instead, we should invest in our nation’s infrastructure and create the jobs that will help our nation emerge stronger after this pandemic."

      Recommended Quadruple Murderer Is NYT’s Profile in Courage Ann Coulter The members said they were happy the Biden administration rejoined the Paris Climate Accord but they want to see the president "reject policies that would ban responsible oil and gas leasing on federal lands and federal waters." That includes rescinding the current order.

      The Ute Indian Tribe, the second largest Indian reservation in the United States, shared similar concerns. Not only are they worried about the job loss, but they also expressed frustration with their sovereignty being threatened.

      https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2021/01/27/why-four-democrats-are-suddenly-regretting-supporting-joe-biden-n2583828

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      George K
      wrote on 28 Jan 2021, 21:26 last edited by
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      @jolly said in The Four:

      The Ute Indian Tribe

      Another tribe has challenged the order, saying the order also affects their lands, which are those of a sovereign nation.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on 28 Jan 2021, 21:27 last edited by
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        Notice that Biden didn't say those "millions of well paying union jobs" would be in the US...

        The Brad

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        • J Jolly
          28 Jan 2021, 20:35

          Democrats were all in for then-candidate Joe Biden. Their goal was simple: get President Donald Trump out of office. They were willing to do anything and everything to make sure that happened. And now, four Texas Democrats are regretting their decision to back Biden. The reason: his latest executive order putting a halt to federal land being leased to oil and gas companies for energy.

          The four members of Congress – Reps. Vincente Gonzalez, Lizzie Fletcher, Henry Cuellar, and Marc Veasey – sent a letter to Biden, asking him to rescind the order.

          "Media reports indicate that the Administration plans to announce a new proposal to ban responsible energy leasing, including oil and gas leasing, from our federal waters and lands indefinitely," the letter stated. "A federal ban for any period of time will certainly imperil hundreds of thousands of jobs, entire communities, and billions of dollars in royalty revenues to the Federal Treasury and eliminate funding for important conservation programs such as the Land and Water Conservation Fund (LWCF)."

          The order will result in a GDP loss of $700 billion and the federal government will lose its biggest revenue generator, the letter stated. One of the other concerns they share is America returning to dependence on foreign oil.

          According to the members, New Mexico is being disproportionately impacted, predominantly because of its land makeup and lack of income.

          "Additionally, New Mexico, a small, poor state that receives a huge portion of their revenue for things like funding Albuquerque schools, will find this rule devastating. Such a rule could also tighten supplies, send heating and cooling bills up, and cause a spike in fuel prices during a pandemic," they explained. "Furthermore, this benefits Big Oil over small independents that did not have the resources to stockpile permits. We should instead work to make sure we create jobs by hiring more inspectors to make sure methane emissions at the well head and other rules that allow for cleaner extraction are taking place."

          "As the United States works to emerge from the COVID-19 pandemic, which has killed more than 400,000 Americans and destroyed the livelihoods of many more, now is not the time to jeopardize American jobs, or the critical tax and royalty revenues that federal leases generate for local, state, and federal government that need funds now. Instead, we should invest in our nation’s infrastructure and create the jobs that will help our nation emerge stronger after this pandemic."

          Recommended Quadruple Murderer Is NYT’s Profile in Courage Ann Coulter The members said they were happy the Biden administration rejoined the Paris Climate Accord but they want to see the president "reject policies that would ban responsible oil and gas leasing on federal lands and federal waters." That includes rescinding the current order.

          The Ute Indian Tribe, the second largest Indian reservation in the United States, shared similar concerns. Not only are they worried about the job loss, but they also expressed frustration with their sovereignty being threatened.

          https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2021/01/27/why-four-democrats-are-suddenly-regretting-supporting-joe-biden-n2583828

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          taiwan_girl
          wrote on 29 Jan 2021, 02:37 last edited by
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          @jolly said in The Four:

          The order will result in a GDP loss of $700 billion

          that seems really high, but maybe it is correct.

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          • T taiwan_girl
            29 Jan 2021, 02:37

            @jolly said in The Four:

            The order will result in a GDP loss of $700 billion

            that seems really high, but maybe it is correct.

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            Jolly
            wrote on 29 Jan 2021, 03:40 last edited by Jolly
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            @taiwan_girl said in The Four:

            @jolly said in The Four:

            The order will result in a GDP loss of $700 billion

            that seems really high, but maybe it is correct.

            Scalise is saying 1,000,000 jobs will be lost.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              xenon
              wrote on 29 Jan 2021, 07:03 last edited by xenon
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              @jolly said in The Four:

              alty revenues to the Federal Treasury and eliminate funding for important conservation programs such as the Land and Water Conservation Fund (LWCF)."
              The order will result in a GDP loss of $700 billion and the federal government will lose its biggest revenue generator, the letter stated. One of the other concerns they share is America returning to dependence on foreign oil.
              According to the members, New Mexico is being di

              https://www.wsj.com/articles/whats-the-impact-of-president-bidens-oil-drilling-freeze-on-federal-lands-11611677934#:~:text=U.S. oil production on federal,in government revenue last year.

              According to WSJ, drilling on federal lands accounts for 9% of oil production in the U.S. Hard to square that with almost a $1T lost.

              I'm not saying it's a good EO, just that the figures seem like hyperbole.

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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on 29 Jan 2021, 14:18 last edited by
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                Meanwhile.....

                GM says that they will make only electric cars by 2035

                (https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabuelsamid/2021/01/28/general-motors-commits-to-being-carbon-neutral-by-2040/?sh=5370f3426355)

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                  George K
                  wrote on 29 Jan 2021, 14:29 last edited by George K
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                  Which is the most lithium-rich country in the world?

                  Whatever it might be, it'll become the mid-21st century Saudi Arabia.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on 29 Jan 2021, 14:33 last edited by
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                    I am optimistic that alternates will be found.

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 29 Jan 2021, 14:44 last edited by
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                      Optimism is not a strategy.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        Copper
                        wrote on 29 Jan 2021, 15:55 last edited by
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                        We'll make a law that alternates will be found.

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                        • T taiwan_girl
                          29 Jan 2021, 14:18

                          Meanwhile.....

                          GM says that they will make only electric cars by 2035

                          (https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabuelsamid/2021/01/28/general-motors-commits-to-being-carbon-neutral-by-2040/?sh=5370f3426355)

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 29 Jan 2021, 19:36 last edited by
                          #12

                          @taiwan_girl said in The Four:

                          Meanwhile.....

                          GM says that they will make only electric cars by 2035

                          (https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabuelsamid/2021/01/28/general-motors-commits-to-being-carbon-neutral-by-2040/?sh=5370f3426355)

                          When are they going to start making decent ones?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • G George K
                            29 Jan 2021, 14:29

                            Which is the most lithium-rich country in the world?

                            Whatever it might be, it'll become the mid-21st century Saudi Arabia.

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                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on 29 Jan 2021, 22:59 last edited by
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                            @george-k said in The Four:

                            Which is the most lithium-rich country in the world?

                            Bolivia, and Argentina 2nd.

                            There's going to be a lot of jokes about fading into Bolivian.

                            I was only joking

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                              Mik
                              wrote on 30 Jan 2021, 00:09 last edited by Mik
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                              Actually, Chile has the largest known reserves at 8,600,000 metric tons. There are about 17 million metric tons of known lithium reserves.

                              One metric ton can produce about 83 Tesla 70Kwh batteries at 12Kg per.
                              So we currently know of enough lithium to produce 1.4 billion electric cars under current technology.

                              Coincidentally there are currently right around that many vehicles on the road worldwide, and expected to be 2 billion by 2050.

                              Lithium ain't gonna cut it and as I said earlier, optimism is not a strategy.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • M Mik
                                30 Jan 2021, 00:09

                                Actually, Chile has the largest known reserves at 8,600,000 metric tons. There are about 17 million metric tons of known lithium reserves.

                                One metric ton can produce about 83 Tesla 70Kwh batteries at 12Kg per.
                                So we currently know of enough lithium to produce 1.4 billion electric cars under current technology.

                                Coincidentally there are currently right around that many vehicles on the road worldwide, and expected to be 2 billion by 2050.

                                Lithium ain't gonna cut it and as I said earlier, optimism is not a strategy.

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                                Doctor Phibes
                                wrote on 30 Jan 2021, 00:32 last edited by
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                                @mik said in The Four:

                                Actually, Chile has the largest known reserves at 8,600,000 metric tons.

                                Not according to this

                                https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/features/six-largest-lithium-reserves-world/

                                I was only joking

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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on 30 Jan 2021, 01:03 last edited by
                                  #16

                                  The pub I got my information from is the same one they cite in the article, but it does not explain the huge discrepancy between the chart I cited and the paragraph after. Maybe what I looked at was the reserves in existing mines.

                                  https://pubs.usgs.gov/periodicals/mcs2020/mcs2020-lithium.pdf

                                  But, in true TNCR fashion, you still have your head up your ass and wouldn’t know the truth if it bit you on the ass. 😆

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    Copper
                                    wrote on 30 Jan 2021, 03:08 last edited by
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                                    I refuse to believe that we have a member who is not an expert on Lithium reserves.

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                                    • CopperC Copper
                                      30 Jan 2021, 03:08

                                      I refuse to believe that we have a member who is not an expert on Lithium reserves.

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                                      Aqua Letifer
                                      wrote on 30 Jan 2021, 03:09 last edited by
                                      #18

                                      @copper said in The Four:

                                      I refuse to believe that we have a member who is not an expert on Lithium reserves.

                                      Okay props, that's a good one. 😄

                                      Please love yourself.

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