No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day
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PORTLAND, Ore. — About 150 self-described anarchists dressed in black — many also wearing helmets, balaclavas and gas masks — gathered in a parking lot just east of downtown Portland Wednesday afternoon for an Inauguration Day rally.
Their political views were hard to pin down.“We are ungovernable,” read a banner laid out on the pavement.
Before the day was over, windows were shattered at the state Democratic Party headquarters, and police in riot gear were chasing demonstrators into the darkness.
...There is property damage, but does not read like there is any injuries.
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@lufins-dad said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
I am saying that there was no threat that our government, the election, and our rule of law were going to overturned.
Didn't you say in the Antifa thread that you started that how successful someone is in breaking the law doesn't determine how illegal the activity is?
@aqua-letifer said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
@lufins-dad said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
I am saying that there was no threat that our government, the election, and our rule of law were going to overturned.
Didn't you say in the Antifa thread that you started that how successful someone is in breaking the law doesn't determine how illegal the activity is?
I actually said success or failure doesn’t change the morality of the act. It does have a difference in legal ramifications, though. Attempted murder carries a lesser weight than murder.
I don’t see where that matters in my argument? Many of these men and women absolutely can and should be charged with Sedition, Treason, and any number of felonies including Domestic Terrorism. That doesn’t change the fact that there was no chance that they posed an actual threat to the election. Do you honestly believe Biden wouldn’t be President right now if the idiots had reached Pence/Pelosi/Schumer/etc...? I don’t. I don’t give the asshats that much credit.
They can make a threat against the transition , but it’s not credible as they don’t have the ability to actually pull off their threat. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be punished to the fullest extent, but let’s not get weak in the knees thinking these idjits could have succeeded.
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@aqua-letifer said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
@lufins-dad said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
I am saying that there was no threat that our government, the election, and our rule of law were going to overturned.
Didn't you say in the Antifa thread that you started that how successful someone is in breaking the law doesn't determine how illegal the activity is?
I actually said success or failure doesn’t change the morality of the act. It does have a difference in legal ramifications, though. Attempted murder carries a lesser weight than murder.
I don’t see where that matters in my argument? Many of these men and women absolutely can and should be charged with Sedition, Treason, and any number of felonies including Domestic Terrorism. That doesn’t change the fact that there was no chance that they posed an actual threat to the election. Do you honestly believe Biden wouldn’t be President right now if the idiots had reached Pence/Pelosi/Schumer/etc...? I don’t. I don’t give the asshats that much credit.
They can make a threat against the transition , but it’s not credible as they don’t have the ability to actually pull off their threat. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be punished to the fullest extent, but let’s not get weak in the knees thinking these idjits could have succeeded.
@lufins-dad said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
let’s not get weak in the knees thinking these idjits could have succeeded.
https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/6700/what-the-hell-were-they-thinking?_=1611231206742
On a related note, Speaker Pelosi wanted machine gun nests set up:
Acting DHS Deputy Secretary Ken Cuccinelli told Fox News’s “The Story with Martha MacCallum” on Tuesday that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi requested more National Guards be sent to Washington, D.C., even requesting “crew-manned machine guns”
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@taiwan_girl said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
@lufins-dad said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
There was no threat that these people would stop the certification process
I thought there were reports that are coming out that there was a lot of talk from people they have arrested that indicated they were ready to use violence and guns and things like that and people who, they felt, would not change the election
I’m not saying there weren’t threats of violence. I am saying that there was no threat that our government, the election, and our rule of law were going to overturned. There was no threat that Donald would be a president today and no believable threat that Biden wouldn’t.
@lufins-dad said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
@taiwan_girl said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
@lufins-dad said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
There was no threat that these people would stop the certification process
I thought there were reports that are coming out that there was a lot of talk from people they have arrested that indicated they were ready to use violence and guns and things like that and people who, they felt, would not change the election
I’m not saying there weren’t threats of violence. I am saying that there was no threat that our government, the election, and our rule of law were going to overturned. There was no threat that Donald would be a president today and no believable threat that Biden wouldn’t.
They could conceivably have killed large numbers of senators and house reps. A few of them would probably have liked that. If that's not a real threat to democracy, I don't know where you draw the line. It's not just about Trump and Biden. If they start killing senators, the country has gone to the dogs.
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@aqua-letifer said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
@lufins-dad said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
Credible threat is the part that I have trouble with.
Oh really? They weren't trying to stop the election from happening?
There was a 0.0% chance that the election results got overturned or that the riot leads to a mass uprising that casts aside the laws and rules of this nation. Oh, they delayed it, and there were sincere threats to some individuals, but the election results and our laws and rules were never under a credible threat, no.
@lufins-dad said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
Oh really? They weren't trying to stop the election from happening?
There was a 0.0% chance that the election results got overturned or that the riot leads to a mass uprising that casts aside the laws and rules of this nation.
LuFin took the words right off my keyboard. Even those dodos couldn't have had a realistic objective of stopping the election. When all is said and done, I suspect their actions will be seen as a vague and inchaotive tantrum designed to enhance testicular bragging rights. Which we wish them joy of in the penitentiary.
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The fact that you had a Head of State who is willing to encourage a mob should be very concerning. The fact that the mob was made up of a bunch of moronic incompetents is beside the point.
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The fact that you had a Head of State who is willing to encourage a mob should be very concerning. The fact that the mob was made up of a bunch of moronic incompetents is beside the point.
@doctor-phibes said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
The fact that you had a Head of State who is willing to encourage a mob should be very concerning. The fact that the mob was made up of a bunch of moronic incompetents is beside the point.
The fact that we had years of encouraged violence or at minimum tolerated on TV had no impact , eh? Look in the mirror when you are looking for all the reasons.
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@lufins-dad said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
There was no threat that these people would stop the certification process
I thought there were reports that are coming out that there was a lot of talk from people they have arrested that indicated they were ready to use violence and guns and things like that and people who, they felt, would not change the election
@taiwan_girl said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
@lufins-dad said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
There was no threat that these people would stop the certification process
I thought there were reports that are coming out that there was a lot of talk from people they have arrested that indicated they were ready to use violence and guns and things like that and people who, they felt, would not change the election
There is also a very biased media promoting such. I don't think the threat of gun violence is anywhere near what is actually present.
I'll even give you a heads-up...With the exception of Antifa, there is very little domestic terrorism in the U.S. Yet, Biden talked about it yesterday....Now, hide and watch the narrative being crafted. The Biden Administration will use that to push legislation through Congress. And the media will swallow that stuff faster than a hooker on Saturday night.
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Haven’t seen any report about violent protests breaking out today in the USA so far. No news is good news, right?
@axtremus said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
Haven’t seen any report about violent protests breaking out today in the USA so far. No news is good news, right?
How about that??? I had the same thought yesterday evening. That, plus Jon's great pic of the lone guy in front of the NYS building, deserves as much attention as to significance as the Capitol cretins.
Peaceful across the country -- despite the newsies' dire predictions not once, not twice, not three times, but as often as was necessary to insure the message was well circulated.
Thanks for that, newsies.
And a big fat raised middle digit to those schadenfreuders who lamented the coming fall of America's democracy. It coulda, but didn't. If anything, it has been reinforced. It may yet happen, but if we manage to not elect another Trump, I think we're okay.
And since there's no predicting the future, we may as well take the high road.
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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@aqua-letifer said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
@lufins-dad said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
Credible threat is the part that I have trouble with.
Oh really? They weren't trying to stop the election from happening?
There was a 0.0% chance that the election results got overturned or that the riot leads to a mass uprising that casts aside the laws and rules of this nation. Oh, they delayed it, and there were sincere threats to some individuals, but the election results and our laws and rules were never under a credible threat, no.
@lufins-dad said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
@aqua-letifer said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
@lufins-dad said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
Credible threat is the part that I have trouble with.
Oh really? They weren't trying to stop the election from happening?
There was a 0.0% chance that the election results got overturned or that the riot leads to a mass uprising that casts aside the laws and rules of this nation. Oh, they delayed it, and there were sincere threats to some individuals, but the election results and our laws and rules were never under a credible threat, no.
Agreed.
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@axtremus said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
Haven’t seen any report about violent protests breaking out today in the USA so far. No news is good news, right?
How about that??? I had the same thought yesterday evening. That, plus Jon's great pic of the lone guy in front of the NYS building, deserves as much attention as to significance as the Capitol cretins.
Peaceful across the country -- despite the newsies' dire predictions not once, not twice, not three times, but as often as was necessary to insure the message was well circulated.
Thanks for that, newsies.
And a big fat raised middle digit to those schadenfreuders who lamented the coming fall of America's democracy. It coulda, but didn't. If anything, it has been reinforced. It may yet happen, but if we manage to not elect another Trump, I think we're okay.
And since there's no predicting the future, we may as well take the high road.
@catseye3 said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
@axtremus said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
Haven’t seen any report about violent protests breaking out today in the USA so far. No news is good news, right?
How about that??? I had the same thought yesterday evening. That, plus Jon's great pic of the lone guy in front of the NYS building, deserves as much attention as to significance as the Capitol cretins.
Peaceful across the country -- despite the newsies' dire predictions not once, not twice, not three times, but as often as was necessary to be sure the message was well circulated.
Thanks for that, newsies.
And a big fat raised middle digit to those schadenfreuders who lamented the coming fall of America's democracy. It coulda, but didn't. If anything, it has been reinforced. It may yet happen, but if we manage to not elect another Trump, I think we're okay.
And since there's no predicting the future, we may as well take the high road.
Actually, there were 75-100 Antifa doing their thing in Portland last night, but I doubt that was on your favorite news network.
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@doctor-phibes said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
The fact that you had a Head of State who is willing to encourage a mob should be very concerning. The fact that the mob was made up of a bunch of moronic incompetents is beside the point.
The fact that we had years of encouraged violence or at minimum tolerated on TV had no impact , eh? Look in the mirror when you are looking for all the reasons.
@loki said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
@doctor-phibes said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
The fact that you had a Head of State who is willing to encourage a mob should be very concerning. The fact that the mob was made up of a bunch of moronic incompetents is beside the point.
The fact that we had years of encouraged violence or at minimum tolerated on TV had no impact , eh? Look in the mirror when you are looking for all the reasons.
Sorry mate, all I see in the mirror is me. You think maybe American jealousy of my British sophistication was at the heart of their impotent rage? I guess it's possible.
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That being said, the “nuke to destroy an ant hill” approach to inauguration security also played a part in discouraging any would-be resistance or protest in DC. Also, those passionate enough to follow Trump’s election lies and fly to DC to storm the Capitol...those crazy few already played their best hand on 1/6.
FWIW, it’s a shame the media has once again forgotten to show and remind folks of what happened when Trump was being sworn in, with protesters only feet from the podium interrupting his oath, as well as burning cars a few blocks away.
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That being said, the “nuke to destroy an ant hill” approach to inauguration security also played a part in discouraging any would-be resistance or protest in DC. Also, those passionate enough to follow Trump’s election lies and fly to DC to storm the Capitol...those crazy few already played their best hand on 1/6.
FWIW, it’s a shame the media has once again forgotten to show and remind folks of what happened when Trump was being sworn in, with protesters only feet from the podium interrupting his oath, as well as burning cars a few blocks away.
@89th said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
That being said, the “nuke to destroy an ant hill” approach to inauguration security also played a part in discouraging any would-be resistance or protest in DC. Also, those passionate enough to follow Trump’s election lies and fly to DC to storm the Capitol...those crazy few already played their best hand on 1/6.
FWIW, it’s a shame the media has once again forgotten to show and remind folks of what happened when Trump was being sworn in, with protesters only feet from the podium interrupting his oath, as well as burning cars a few blocks away.
And yet we understand mob mentality but have zero introspection when we watch cities burning and no one giving two fucks and in fact rationalizing it and then are shocked and aghast when the other side does it. (Yes what was done at the Capitol was much worse but violence begets violence, broken windows adds to crime, a messy kitchen gets messier by others).
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@axtremus said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
Haven’t seen any report about violent protests breaking out today in the USA so far. No news is good news, right?
What are you talking about? NY was harrowing.
@jon-nyc "Mark Leggiero is the one lone Trump supporter out in front of the NYS Capitol. He says he expected a few thousand ppl here and is disappointed."
Jon, do you have an opinion as to what, if any, portent this pic has for the outcome of Trump's trials?
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@lufins-dad said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
let’s not get weak in the knees thinking these idjits could have succeeded.
https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/6700/what-the-hell-were-they-thinking?_=1611231206742
On a related note, Speaker Pelosi wanted machine gun nests set up:
Acting DHS Deputy Secretary Ken Cuccinelli told Fox News’s “The Story with Martha MacCallum” on Tuesday that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi requested more National Guards be sent to Washington, D.C., even requesting “crew-manned machine guns”
@george-k said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
@lufins-dad said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
let’s not get weak in the knees thinking these idjits could have succeeded.
https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/6700/what-the-hell-were-they-thinking?_=1611231206742
On a related note, Speaker Pelosi wanted machine gun nests set up:
Acting DHS Deputy Secretary Ken Cuccinelli told Fox News’s “The Story with Martha MacCallum” on Tuesday that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi requested more National Guards be sent to Washington, D.C., even requesting “crew-manned machine guns”
Remind me again about who ultimate was responsible for security at the Capitol and where “the buck” is supposed to stop?
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Violent Protest following the inauguration
Riots
Property destroyed
Insurrection
cnn is going to feel so embarrassed that they missed this.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/anti-biden-antifa-portland-police
Portland rioters damage ICE building; police declare 'unlawful assembly'
The so-called J20 protest was a demonstration against Biden and law enforcement
Police declared an unlawful assembly Wednesday night in Portland, Ore., after about 150 rioters caused damage to a federal immigration facility in the city, according to the authorities.
The Portland Police Bureau said several events were planned in the city just hours after Biden was sworn in and implored the nation to come together. About 150 people gathered at Revolution Hall around 2 p.m. and marched to the headquarters of the Democratic Party of Oregon, Allen said.
The so-called J20 protest was a demonstration against Biden and law enforcement.
Some in the group smashed windows and vandalized the building with graffiti. Calls and messages to the party headquarters were not immediately returned.
The unrest near the ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) building was declared after rioters started throwing rocks and eggs, and vandalizing the building, located in the city's south waterfront neighborhood, Portland police Sgt. Kevin Allen said in a 10 p.m. update.
"We have observed property damage to the building," the Portland Police Bureau wrote on Twitter. "Anyone who is involved in criminal behavior including: vandalism and graffitting is subject to arrest or citation."
Allen said individuals were seen carrying pepper ball guns, electronic control weapons (similar to stun guns) -- shields, fireworks, and rocks. He added that federal law enforcement used "crowd-control munitions."
"This gathering may impact traffic and access into the neighborhood," Allen said. "We'll continue to closely monitor this event."
As of early Thursday, police said they were standing by "to address crimes" in the surrounding neighborhood, and some arrests were made, although they failed to elaborate any further.
Other cities saw some tension on Inauguration Day. Seattle witnessed property damage and objects hurled at cars; reporters said demonstrators were protesting against President Biden and law enforcement, and carried a sign reading, "Abolish ICE."
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Violent Protest following the inauguration
Riots
Property destroyed
Insurrection
cnn is going to feel so embarrassed that they missed this.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/anti-biden-antifa-portland-police
Portland rioters damage ICE building; police declare 'unlawful assembly'
The so-called J20 protest was a demonstration against Biden and law enforcement
Police declared an unlawful assembly Wednesday night in Portland, Ore., after about 150 rioters caused damage to a federal immigration facility in the city, according to the authorities.
The Portland Police Bureau said several events were planned in the city just hours after Biden was sworn in and implored the nation to come together. About 150 people gathered at Revolution Hall around 2 p.m. and marched to the headquarters of the Democratic Party of Oregon, Allen said.
The so-called J20 protest was a demonstration against Biden and law enforcement.
Some in the group smashed windows and vandalized the building with graffiti. Calls and messages to the party headquarters were not immediately returned.
The unrest near the ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) building was declared after rioters started throwing rocks and eggs, and vandalizing the building, located in the city's south waterfront neighborhood, Portland police Sgt. Kevin Allen said in a 10 p.m. update.
"We have observed property damage to the building," the Portland Police Bureau wrote on Twitter. "Anyone who is involved in criminal behavior including: vandalism and graffitting is subject to arrest or citation."
Allen said individuals were seen carrying pepper ball guns, electronic control weapons (similar to stun guns) -- shields, fireworks, and rocks. He added that federal law enforcement used "crowd-control munitions."
"This gathering may impact traffic and access into the neighborhood," Allen said. "We'll continue to closely monitor this event."
As of early Thursday, police said they were standing by "to address crimes" in the surrounding neighborhood, and some arrests were made, although they failed to elaborate any further.
Other cities saw some tension on Inauguration Day. Seattle witnessed property damage and objects hurled at cars; reporters said demonstrators were protesting against President Biden and law enforcement, and carried a sign reading, "Abolish ICE."
@copper said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
Violent Protest following the inauguration
Riots
Property destroyed
Insurrection
cnn is going to feel so embarrassed that they missed this.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/anti-biden-antifa-portland-police
Portland rioters damage ICE building; police declare 'unlawful assembly'
The so-called J20 protest was a demonstration against Biden and law enforcement
Police declared an unlawful assembly Wednesday night in Portland, Ore., after about 150 rioters caused damage to a federal immigration facility in the city, according to the authorities.
The Portland Police Bureau said several events were planned in the city just hours after Biden was sworn in and implored the nation to come together. About 150 people gathered at Revolution Hall around 2 p.m. and marched to the headquarters of the Democratic Party of Oregon, Allen said.
The so-called J20 protest was a demonstration against Biden and law enforcement.
Some in the group smashed windows and vandalized the building with graffiti. Calls and messages to the party headquarters were not immediately returned.
The unrest near the ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) building was declared after rioters started throwing rocks and eggs, and vandalizing the building, located in the city's south waterfront neighborhood, Portland police Sgt. Kevin Allen said in a 10 p.m. update.
"We have observed property damage to the building," the Portland Police Bureau wrote on Twitter. "Anyone who is involved in criminal behavior including: vandalism and graffitting is subject to arrest or citation."
Allen said individuals were seen carrying pepper ball guns, electronic control weapons (similar to stun guns) -- shields, fireworks, and rocks. He added that federal law enforcement used "crowd-control munitions."
"This gathering may impact traffic and access into the neighborhood," Allen said. "We'll continue to closely monitor this event."
As of early Thursday, police said they were standing by "to address crimes" in the surrounding neighborhood, and some arrests were made, although they failed to elaborate any further.
Other cities saw some tension on Inauguration Day. Seattle witnessed property damage and objects hurled at cars; reporters said demonstrators were protesting against President Biden and law enforcement, and carried a sign reading, "Abolish ICE."
Yeah, but it's Portland. Portland mattereth not.
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Credible threat is the part that I have trouble with.
@lufins-dad said in No Violent Protest on Inauguration Day:
Credible threat is the part that I have trouble with.
There wasn't anything remotely credible about it.
