What the hell were they thinking?
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@mik said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@jolly said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Thinking?
I don't think most of them were thinking at all...
Yup. There’s no possible positive endgame.
I agree, but that's just the idiots on social. Let's see what the investigation comes out with.
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@mik said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@jolly said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Thinking?
I don't think most of them were thinking at all...
Yup. There’s no possible positive endgame.
YEs, mobs do weird things. A friend of a friend of a friend, etc. knows the CEO from Chicago who got fired. He said that he is a normal guy. Level head, never extreme, etc Was complete shocked when he found out the guy was there.
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@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
The President is literally pumping you up.
It's the most powerful man in the world.
You're all feeling the weight of the moment.
He's telling you to go save the Republic.
The details will work themselves out.
Except he actually said “Peacefully and Patriotically make your voice be heard”. This doesn’t even come close to passing the Brandenburg test.
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@lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
The President is literally pumping you up.
It's the most powerful man in the world.
You're all feeling the weight of the moment.
He's telling you to go save the Republic.
The details will work themselves out.
Except he actually said “Peacefully and Patriotically make your voice be heard”. This doesn’t even come close to passing the Brandenburg test.
Ok, so what’s your best take of what the people invading the Capitol were thinking?
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@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
The President is literally pumping you up.
It's the most powerful man in the world.
You're all feeling the weight of the moment.
He's telling you to go save the Republic.
The details will work themselves out.
Except he actually said “Peacefully and Patriotically make your voice be heard”. This doesn’t even come close to passing the Brandenburg test.
Ok, so what’s your best take of what the people invading the Capitol were thinking?
They might have been thinking their dog was telling them to kill the stripper. It doesn’t make the dog responsible.
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@lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
The President is literally pumping you up.
It's the most powerful man in the world.
You're all feeling the weight of the moment.
He's telling you to go save the Republic.
The details will work themselves out.
Except he actually said “Peacefully and Patriotically make your voice be heard”. This doesn’t even come close to passing the Brandenburg test.
Ok, so what’s your best take of what the people invading the Capitol were thinking?
They might have been thinking their dog was telling them to kill the stripper. It doesn’t make the dog responsible.
That wasn’t the question in the thread.
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Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?
Why were they even there? How many of these clowns knew what the significance of Jan 6th was before November? Or even before Trump promoted it?
Why did 10s of millions absorb the stolen election memetic complex?
Why did the movement get so much oxygen in right wing media?
Why did Wood and Powell get so much attention?
How many 10s of millions of people did he promote Flynn’s tweets to? -
@jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?
Why were they even there?
A lot of it had to do with the irrational hatred against Trump and his supporters. It is convenient to now place all blame on election fraud claims.
None of us expect those who participated in the irrational hatred to own any of its effects. So please don't worry. It won't land.
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@jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?
Why were they even there? How many of these clowns knew what the significance of Jan 6th was before November? Or even before Trump promoted it?
Why did 10s of millions absorb the stolen election memetic complex?
Why did the movement get so much oxygen in right wing media?
Why did Wood and Powell get so much attention?
How many 10s of millions of people did he promote Flynn’s tweets to?Does any of that stand up to Brandenburg? That’s a decision for the courts. Not you, not me, and sure as hell not Nancy Pelosi. So let’s put it to them.
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@horace said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?
Why were they even there?
A lot of it had to do with the irrational hatred against Trump and his supporters. It is convenient to now place all blame on election fraud claims.
None of us expect those who participated in the irrational hatred to own any of its effects. So please don't worry. It won't land.
Ah yes - the historic injustices against these people caused them to lash out.
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@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@horace said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?
Why were they even there?
A lot of it had to do with the irrational hatred against Trump and his supporters. It is convenient to now place all blame on election fraud claims.
None of us expect those who participated in the irrational hatred to own any of its effects. So please don't worry. It won't land.
Ah yes - the historic injustices against these people caused them to lash out.
Not very historic. And I call them doofuses or pick your pejorative. Those who even demonstrated much less invaded.
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Aren’t we discussing impeachment? It’s open and shut. This is the only impeachment in our history that will improve with age.
But to your question, criminal liability? No way. Not unless we learn something yuge from the investigation.
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@lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?
Why were they even there? How many of these clowns knew what the significance of Jan 6th was before November? Or even before Trump promoted it?
Why did 10s of millions absorb the stolen election memetic complex?
Why did the movement get so much oxygen in right wing media?
Why did Wood and Powell get so much attention?
How many 10s of millions of people did he promote Flynn’s tweets to?Does any of that stand up to Brandenburg? That’s a decision for the courts. Not you, not me, and sure as hell not Nancy Pelosi. So let’s put it to them.
If you killed someone’s mother in front of them and the killer got killed in retaliation, that wouldn’t stand up to the Brandenburg test either.
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@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?
Why were they even there? How many of these clowns knew what the significance of Jan 6th was before November? Or even before Trump promoted it?
Why did 10s of millions absorb the stolen election memetic complex?
Why did the movement get so much oxygen in right wing media?
Why did Wood and Powell get so much attention?
How many 10s of millions of people did he promote Flynn’s tweets to?Does any of that stand up to Brandenburg? That’s a decision for the courts. Not you, not me, and sure as hell not Nancy Pelosi. So let’s put it to them.
If you killed someone’s mother in front of them and the killer got killed in retaliation, that wouldn’t stand up to the Brandenburg test either.
WTF? I don’t even see the analogy you are shooting for?
Brandenburg is specifically the benchmark for incitement to violence by public speech.
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@lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?
Why were they even there? How many of these clowns knew what the significance of Jan 6th was before November? Or even before Trump promoted it?
Why did 10s of millions absorb the stolen election memetic complex?
Why did the movement get so much oxygen in right wing media?
Why did Wood and Powell get so much attention?
How many 10s of millions of people did he promote Flynn’s tweets to?Does any of that stand up to Brandenburg? That’s a decision for the courts. Not you, not me, and sure as hell not Nancy Pelosi. So let’s put it to them.
If you killed someone’s mother in front of them and the killer got killed in retaliation, that wouldn’t stand up to the Brandenburg test either.
WTF? I don’t even see the analogy you are shooting for?
Brandenburg is specifically the benchmark for incitement to violence by public speech.
You can get people riled up to the point of crime, without being criminally liable for riling them up.
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@jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Aren’t we discussing impeachment? It’s open and shut. This is the only impeachment in our history that will improve with age.
But to your question, criminal liability? No way. Not unless we learn something yuge from the investigation.
If it’s not criminal, then how can he be impeached for High Crime? This is actually worse than the 2019 impeachment and is in fact weakening the impeachment power by Congress.
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@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:
@jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:
Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?
Why were they even there? How many of these clowns knew what the significance of Jan 6th was before November? Or even before Trump promoted it?
Why did 10s of millions absorb the stolen election memetic complex?
Why did the movement get so much oxygen in right wing media?
Why did Wood and Powell get so much attention?
How many 10s of millions of people did he promote Flynn’s tweets to?Does any of that stand up to Brandenburg? That’s a decision for the courts. Not you, not me, and sure as hell not Nancy Pelosi. So let’s put it to them.
If you killed someone’s mother in front of them and the killer got killed in retaliation, that wouldn’t stand up to the Brandenburg test either.
WTF? I don’t even see the analogy you are shooting for?
Brandenburg is specifically the benchmark for incitement to violence by public speech.
You can get people riled up to the point of crime, without being criminally liable for riling them up.
So you’re saying Bernie is responsible for the gunman that attacked the congressional softball event? Good to know. And should we even talk about Obama’s “They bring a knife, then we bring a gun!”
The actual violent nutjobs were obviously not influenced by Trump’s words. If they were then they would have peacefully and patriotically made their voices heard.
What that has to do with answering one criminally violent and horrendous act with another violent and horrendous act escapes me.
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@lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:
If it’s not criminal, then how can he be impeached for High Crime?
Because ‘high crimes and misdemeanors’ is a concept that goes back to the Middle Ages and doesn’t mean ‘a violation of federal statute’.
This is actually worse than the 2019 impeachment and is in fact weakening the impeachment power by Congress.
I think you will come to think otherwise in the fullness of time.
DON’T let them eat cake.
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