What She Saw

[Aqua Letifer]

@mik said in What She Saw:

@aqua-letifer said in What She Saw:

@mik said in What She Saw:

In neither case are we talking about the peaceful protestors

So how then is breaking & entering, assaulting police officers and civilians, destruction of property, and attempting to stop a national election somehow less bad than setting buildings on fire, and assaulting police and citizens?

It’s not. You were arguing it was worse, which I also disagree with.

Yeah okay, fair enough. I'll admit that the types of events are pretty different, maybe so different that they can't really be compared quantitatively. (I still think I'm right but what does it matter. )

[Mik]

@aqua-letifer said in What She Saw:

@mik said in What She Saw:

@aqua-letifer said in What She Saw:

@mik said in What She Saw:

In neither case are we talking about the peaceful protestors

So how then is breaking & entering, assaulting police officers and civilians, destruction of property, and attempting to stop a national election somehow less bad than setting buildings on fire, and assaulting police and citizens?

It’s not. You were arguing it was worse, which I also disagree with.

Yeah okay, fair enough. I'll admit that the types of events are pretty different, maybe so different that they can't really be compared quantitatively. (I still think I'm right but what does it matter. )

Well, you aren’t, but you are right that it does not matter so much.

[taiwan_girl]

@89th said in What She Saw:

@jolly said in What She Saw:

You know, I might buy some of that, if you didn't have a long history of posts detailing how much you hate President Trump...

You'd be surprised with the number of things Trump has done over the four first three years that I really supported. Overall he actually delivered on an impressive number of conservative fronts, of which I am grateful.

However, I have been consistent in my dislike of how he lies prolifically (usually getting away with it by saying "many people have told me..." or "what I've heard is..."). I think he is of immoral character and I don't want to look back and tell my kids I pulled the lever next to his name, hence my votes for Libertarian candidates (as I also refuse to vote for Clinton or Biden based on countless policies I disagree with them on).

I know many folks (including my wife) who voted for Trump and I respect their vote. We each have our own reasons and my dislike of Trump doesn't mean I also dislike anyone who voted for him.

That being said, I think his handling of the pandemic was a complete fumble early on when it counted, and his handling of losing an election has been embarrassing to say the least and a downright existential threat to our democracy at the worst.

Well said.

And as I said before, not all crimes are equal. May not be fair, may not be right, but that is the case.

Is breaking a window and violently entering a building a crime?

Is it the same crime if one is a 7-11 and one is the US capital? Both are buildings. Hey, it is the same thing, right?

No, it isn't and I think we all realize that.

[George K]

@taiwan_girl that’s a good question. An assault on federal buildings is a “bigger” crime than breaking into a convenience store.

So, lets keep the comparison equal: WHat about storming a federal courthouse and throwing Molotov cocktails in an attempt to burn it down?

[Mik]

There's just no logical way to reliably classify the 1/6 events as significantly worse than the BLM riots. They were both awful in some similar and some different ways. In my book there's also no way to claim the police response to 1/6 was worse than BLM either. If the protestors still held the Capitol and stayed there a month, essentially holding all the citizens there hostage as they did in Seattle, you might have a case.

[George K]

@mik with the Governor of the state refusing to call out the National Guard to defend a federal building, no less, for fear of violence.

[taiwan_girl]

@george-k said in What She Saw:

@taiwan_girl that’s a good question. An assault on federal buildings is a “bigger” crime than breaking into a convenience store.

So, lets keep the comparison equal: WHat about storming a federal courthouse and throwing Molotov cocktails in an attempt to burn it down?

Dont know if it is right or wrong, but they are still not equal in the eye of most people or in the investigation and pursuit of it or in the news it will give off. Even if they are on the same federal level, some crimes are more "equal" than others. Just the way it is.

President Trump gets a pickpocket and loses his wallet.
Congressman Doe also gets a pickpocket and loses his wallet.

Both are federal employees. Both crimes are basically the same.

Which crime will make more news and which will be investigated more?

(Kind of reminds me of that story you posted about the robbers who broke into the gangsters house. A "ordinary" house robbery, but LOL, looked what happened to the robbers)

[George K]

@taiwan_girl said in What She Saw:

they are still not equal in the eye of most people or in the investigation and pursuit of it or in the news it will give off.

In the eye of the law, they are the same - both are federal buildings.

Yeah the heat of the Capitol is hotter, but, in the eye of the law, there is no distinction. The rioters in Portland, for the most part, were given a pass.

Why do you think that is?

[Jolly]

@taiwan_girl said in What She Saw:

@george-k said in What She Saw:

@taiwan_girl that’s a good question. An assault on federal buildings is a “bigger” crime than breaking into a convenience store.

So, lets keep the comparison equal: WHat about storming a federal courthouse and throwing Molotov cocktails in an attempt to burn it down?

Dont know if it is right or wrong, but they are still not equal in the eye of most people or in the investigation and pursuit of it or in the news it will give off. Even if they are on the same federal level, some crimes are more "equal" than others. Just the way it is.

President Trump gets a pickpocket and loses his wallet.
Congressman Doe also gets a pickpocket and loses his wallet.

Both are federal employees. Both crimes are basically the same.

Which crime will make more news and which will be investigated more?

(Kind of reminds me of that story you posted about the robbers who broke into the gangsters house. A "ordinary" house robbery, but LOL, looked what happened to the robbers)

Fair is fair. The law is the law.

[Loki]

@taiwan_girl said in What She Saw:

@george-k said in What She Saw:

@taiwan_girl that’s a good question. An assault on federal buildings is a “bigger” crime than breaking into a convenience store.

So, lets keep the comparison equal: WHat about storming a federal courthouse and throwing Molotov cocktails in an attempt to burn it down?

Dont know if it is right or wrong, but they are still not equal in the eye of most people or in the investigation and pursuit of it or in the news it will give off. Even if they are on the same federal level, some crimes are more "equal" than others. Just the way it is.

President Trump gets a pickpocket and loses his wallet.
Congressman Doe also gets a pickpocket and loses his wallet.

Both are federal employees. Both crimes are basically the same.

Which crime will make more news and which will be investigated more?

(Kind of reminds me of that story you posted about the robbers who broke into the gangsters house. A "ordinary" house robbery, but LOL, looked what happened to the robbers)

I agree they are not equal but tolerating one could very reasonably seen as inciting others.