Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?
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wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 05:28 last edited by
That would be interesting, it isn't moot since the Senate has the option to prevent him from ever holding office again.
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That would be interesting, it isn't moot since the Senate has the option to prevent him from ever holding office again.
wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 12:20 last edited by George K 1 Sept 2021, 12:21@jon-nyc said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
That would be interesting, it isn't moot since the Senate has the option to prevent him from ever holding office again.
"from ever holding federal office again"
FIFY....
"Governor Trump?"
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@jon-nyc said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
That would be interesting, it isn't moot since the Senate has the option to prevent him from ever holding office again.
"from ever holding federal office again"
FIFY....
"Governor Trump?"
wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 12:36 last edited by@george-k said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
"Governor Trump?"
Of Florida?
New York won’t elect him. Florida will, for sure, before Jan.6, but not sure if Florida is red enough to elect him now.
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@jon-nyc said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
That would be interesting, it isn't moot since the Senate has the option to prevent him from ever holding office again.
"from ever holding federal office again"
FIFY....
"Governor Trump?"
wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 12:47 last edited by Loki 1 Sept 2021, 12:48Not gonna happen.
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wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 19:10 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
That would be interesting, it isn't moot since the Senate has the option to prevent him from ever holding office again.
Would be nice. I was wondering the other day if Congress could do anything to prevent a 2024 run. He’d be quite old but would likely disrupt everything again within the GOP or even as an independent candidate.
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wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 19:35 last edited by
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wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 19:56 last edited by
@jolly said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
@loki said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
Not gonna happen.
Exactly.
Great test to see if people want to move on. Part of me senses so many people have zero interest in moving on, preferring a partisan fight and inciting people. We will soon find out whether the best or worst people prevail.
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wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 20:02 last edited by jon-nyc 1 Sept 2021, 20:03
It’s not about moving on or not. It’s about recognizing the moral hazard problem.
The downside of “try to overturn the democratic result” has to be something more than ‘it probably won’t work’, unless we want it to become the new normal. This is an iterative game remember.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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It’s not about moving on or not. It’s about recognizing the moral hazard problem.
The downside of “try to overturn the democratic result” has to be something more than ‘it probably won’t work’, unless we want it to become the new normal. This is an iterative game remember.
wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 20:10 last edited by Horace 1 Sept 2021, 20:15@jon-nyc said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
It’s not about moving on or not. It’s about recognizing the moral hazard problem.
The downside of “try to overturn the democratic result” has to be something more than ‘it probably won’t work’, unless we want it to become the new normal. This is an iterative game remember.
Trump and his supporters lost a great deal in the violent reactions to his loss of a very small subset of his supporters. Even you have acknowledged that. Now you want to establish it as a precedent going forward. I'm not seeing that as reasonable.
Meanwhile, no levers of powers or cultural leaders or followers in general lost anything in the wake of the massive wave of violent rioting earlier in 2020. But now you choose to invoke the slippery slope, over the incident where everybody on the side of the rioters lost. The slippery slope is actually where people win, or at least establish their safety in doing whatever they want to do, to gain control over the culture.
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It’s not about moving on or not. It’s about recognizing the moral hazard problem.
The downside of “try to overturn the democratic result” has to be something more than ‘it probably won’t work’, unless we want it to become the new normal. This is an iterative game remember.
wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 20:28 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
“try to overturn the democratic result”
I think there are many millions who saw it as "try to identify the democratic result”
Some here see it that way.
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It’s not about moving on or not. It’s about recognizing the moral hazard problem.
The downside of “try to overturn the democratic result” has to be something more than ‘it probably won’t work’, unless we want it to become the new normal. This is an iterative game remember.
wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 20:32 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
It’s not about moving on or not. It’s about recognizing the moral hazard problem.
The downside of “try to overturn the democratic result” has to be something more than ‘it probably won’t work’, unless we want it to become the new normal. This is an iterative game remember.
Saying it probably won’t work is utter BS. It has no hope of working. The brain shouldn’t be fixated on hopeless causes, for or against. If we iterate on hopelessness we have a hopeless society.
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@jon-nyc said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
It’s not about moving on or not. It’s about recognizing the moral hazard problem.
The downside of “try to overturn the democratic result” has to be something more than ‘it probably won’t work’, unless we want it to become the new normal. This is an iterative game remember.
Trump and his supporters lost a great deal in the violent reactions to his loss of a very small subset of his supporters. Even you have acknowledged that. Now you want to establish it as a precedent going forward. I'm not seeing that as reasonable.
Meanwhile, no levers of powers or cultural leaders or followers in general lost anything in the wake of the massive wave of violent rioting earlier in 2020. But now you choose to invoke the slippery slope, over the incident where everybody on the side of the rioters lost. The slippery slope is actually where people win, or at least establish their safety in doing whatever they want to do, to gain control over the culture.
wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 00:41 last edited by@horace said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
Trump and his supporters lost a great deal in the violent reactions to his loss of a very small subset of his supporters. Even you have acknowledged that. Now you want to establish it as a precedent going forward. I'm not seeing that as reasonable.
The attempts to overturn the democratic election and the peaceful transition of power were more than just those in the Capitol, it was Trump for months spewing lies about a stolen election and pumping up his crowd to take back the power.
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@horace said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
Trump and his supporters lost a great deal in the violent reactions to his loss of a very small subset of his supporters. Even you have acknowledged that. Now you want to establish it as a precedent going forward. I'm not seeing that as reasonable.
The attempts to overturn the democratic election and the peaceful transition of power were more than just those in the Capitol, it was Trump for months spewing lies about a stolen election and pumping up his crowd to take back the power.
wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 00:47 last edited by Horace 1 Oct 2021, 00:48@89th said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
@horace said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
Trump and his supporters lost a great deal in the violent reactions to his loss of a very small subset of his supporters. Even you have acknowledged that. Now you want to establish it as a precedent going forward. I'm not seeing that as reasonable.
The attempts to overturn the democratic election and the peaceful transition of power were more than just those in the Capitol, it was Trump for months spewing lies about a stolen election and pumping up his crowd to take back the power.
But it never had a single chance of working. I mean an entire neighborhood was taken over by CHAZ, and then the Portland thing. It worked, they occupied it, for a long time. Precedent. The people who invaded the Capitol were in my opinion insane and suicidal. I believe they will pay a heaver price than any violent/predatory elements in the leftist riots of 2020.
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wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 00:49 last edited by
True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
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True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 00:51 last edited by@89th said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
Is it nothing? That's a claim. Not one that is inarguable.
Elections lost due to fraudulence, as a social idea, are far from a new thing. Neighborhoods being taken over, now there's a new thing.
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True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 00:53 last edited by@89th said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
Of course it isn't. The Portland thing is worse because I hate pop culture more than I do people trying to compromise an election.
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@89th said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
Of course it isn't. The Portland thing is worse because I hate pop culture more than I do people trying to compromise an election.
wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 00:54 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
@89th said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
Of course it isn't. The Portland thing is worse because I hate pop culture more than I do people trying to compromise an election.
Ok, so make a choice. Call it hate, whatever. You can choose to hate both, great on you.
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wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 01:01 last edited by
Lots of hate to go around.
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True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 01:02 last edited by@89th said in Senate trial could happen after Jan 20?:
True. But taking over a city block in Portland is nothing compared to a sitting president claiming an election he lost was stolen and fraudulent.
Bullshit.
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wrote on 10 Jan 2021, 01:30 last edited by
I have to agree with Jolly on this. When a mob rampages it rampages blind regardless of its target.
