Lab Leak?

[George K]

Today, Fauci said he'd love to see the hospital records of the three people who were hospitalized in November, 2019.

Apparently this was known to the State Department in January, and now he's curious. That's...curious. I would think the guy in charge of infectious diseases would be all over that when it happened, not 5 months later.

[Horace]

@george-k said in Lab Leak?:

Apparently this was known to the State Department in January, and now he's curious

Because of Biden's leadership.

[George K]

@horace said in Lab Leak?:

Because of Biden's leadership.

Thanks...

[Renauda]

@doctor-phibes said in Lab Leak?:

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if this thing leaked from the Wuhan lab, but I don't think it's clear at this point. Lots of people on both sides seem to be very certain - but of course that's nothing new.

I agree that is possible even probable that it can be traced back to the lab. Would not surprise me if it were the result of human error in the disposal of bio-haz waste or failure to follow handling protocols. I do not believe there was anything deliberate other than Beijing's cover up once it was known the genie was out of the bottle and people were dying.

Conspiracy? I doubt it. Negligence? Quite probable.

[Horace]

@renauda said in Lab Leak?:

@doctor-phibes said in Lab Leak?:

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if this thing leaked from the Wuhan lab, but I don't think it's clear at this point. Lots of people on both sides seem to be very certain - but of course that's nothing new.

I agree that is possible even probable that it can be traced back to the lab. Would not surprise me if it were the result of human error in the disposal of bio-haz waste or failure to follow handling protocols. I do not believe there was anything deliberate other than Beijing's cover up once it was known the genie was out of the bottle and people were dying.

Conspiracy? I doubt it. Negligence? Quite probable.

A deliberate coverup would literally be a conspiracy.

[Doctor Phibes]

I think the idea that China did this deliberately is insane.

[Loki]

@doctor-phibes said in Lab Leak?:

I think the idea that China did this deliberately is insane.

Agreed but remember it’s always the cover up that is the bigger crime. There should be a commission to investigate, I’m not saying it happened but a cover up would be a very big deal.

[Jolly]

Folks, if this thing came from a wet market, as the BS story goes, there are no cases within many miles of where the bats live. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to look at transmission probabilities.

Nah, this thing is most likely engineered. Whether it is a lab accident is the part I feel is open to debate...

[Loki]

@jolly said in Lab Leak?:

Folks, if this thing came from a wet market, as the BS story goes, there are no cases within many miles of where the bats live. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to look at transmission probabilities.

Nah, this thing is most likely engineered. Whether it is a lab accident is the part I feel is open to debate...

Especially if it’s great for fund raising.

[Jolly]

@loki said in Lab Leak?:

@jolly said in Lab Leak?:

Folks, if this thing came from a wet market, as the BS story goes, there are no cases within many miles of where the bats live. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to look at transmission probabilities.

Nah, this thing is most likely engineered. Whether it is a lab accident is the part I feel is open to debate...

Especially if it’s great for fund raising.

Remind me, what BSL lab did you work in?

[Loki]

@jolly said in Lab Leak?:

@loki said in Lab Leak?:

@jolly said in Lab Leak?:

Folks, if this thing came from a wet market, as the BS story goes, there are no cases within many miles of where the bats live. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to look at transmission probabilities.

Nah, this thing is most likely engineered. Whether it is a lab accident is the part I feel is open to debate...

Especially if it’s great for fund raising.

Remind me, what BSL lab did you work in?

None for sure but I do have a close friend who is a leading virologist for a big Pharma company and he has stated to me directly it has all the markings of making a leap vs coming from a lab. I don’t know enough as to what to make of it but his education and reputation is pretty amazing.

[Horace]

@loki said in Lab Leak?:

@jolly said in Lab Leak?:

@loki said in Lab Leak?:

@jolly said in Lab Leak?:

Folks, if this thing came from a wet market, as the BS story goes, there are no cases within many miles of where the bats live. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to look at transmission probabilities.

Nah, this thing is most likely engineered. Whether it is a lab accident is the part I feel is open to debate...

Especially if it’s great for fund raising.

Remind me, what BSL lab did you work in?

None for sure but I do have a close friend who is a leading virologist for a big Pharma company and he has stated to me directly it has all the markings of making a leap vs coming from a lab. I don’t know enough as to what to make of it but his education and reputation is pretty amazing.

If it comes out that this was engineered in a lab, will you lose respect for your friend's expertise?

[George K]

Well...

[Renauda]

@horace said in Lab Leak?:

@renauda said in Lab Leak?:

@doctor-phibes said in Lab Leak?:

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if this thing leaked from the Wuhan lab, but I don't think it's clear at this point. Lots of people on both sides seem to be very certain - but of course that's nothing new.

I agree that is possible even probable that it can be traced back to the lab. Would not surprise me if it were the result of human error in the disposal of bio-haz waste or failure to follow handling protocols. I do not believe there was anything deliberate other than Beijing's cover up once it was known the genie was out of the bottle and people were dying.

Conspiracy? I doubt it. Negligence? Quite probable.

A deliberate coverup would literally be a conspiracy.

In the case of China, a coverup would be routine state policy when something goes awry that would embarrass the leadership. At the same time it is also axiomatic that conspiracy forms the basis for Marxist-Leninist governance - that is what Leninism is. China has never departed from M-L ideology no matter how much we in the West, have tried to convince ourselves otherwise.

[Copper]

produce variants that suggest it came from bats to cover up that coronavirus originally came from a lab

OK

We'll produce variants that suggest it came from a lab to cover up that coronavirus originally came from a bat

[Loki]

@horace said in Lab Leak?:

@loki said in Lab Leak?:

@jolly said in Lab Leak?:

@loki said in Lab Leak?:

@jolly said in Lab Leak?:

Folks, if this thing came from a wet market, as the BS story goes, there are no cases within many miles of where the bats live. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to look at transmission probabilities.

Nah, this thing is most likely engineered. Whether it is a lab accident is the part I feel is open to debate...

Especially if it’s great for fund raising.

Remind me, what BSL lab did you work in?

None for sure but I do have a close friend who is a leading virologist for a big Pharma company and he has stated to me directly it has all the markings of making a leap vs coming from a lab. I don’t know enough as to what to make of it but his education and reputation is pretty amazing.

If it comes out that this was engineered in a lab, will you lose respect for your friend's expertise?

Based on the hubris absolutely.

[George K]

@renauda said in Lab Leak?:

In the case of China, a coverup would be routine state policy when something goes awry that would embarrass the leadership. At the same time it is also axiomatic that conspiracy forms the basis for Marxist-Leninist governance - that is what Leninism is. China has never departed from M-L ideology no matter how much we in the West, have tried to convince ourselves otherwise.

And North Korea is China writ large, at least in terms of philosophy.

[Jolly]

@loki said in Lab Leak?:

@jolly said in Lab Leak?:

@loki said in Lab Leak?:

@jolly said in Lab Leak?:

Folks, if this thing came from a wet market, as the BS story goes, there are no cases within many miles of where the bats live. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to look at transmission probabilities.

Nah, this thing is most likely engineered. Whether it is a lab accident is the part I feel is open to debate...

Especially if it’s great for fund raising.

Remind me, what BSL lab did you work in?

None for sure but I do have a close friend who is a leading virologist for a big Pharma company and he has stated to me directly it has all the markings of making a leap vs coming from a lab. I don’t know enough as to what to make of it but his education and reputation is pretty amazing.

I don't give a damn if you sleep with a virologist. Getting told ain't the same as donning the gloves and working under a negative pressure hood with something that can bite you.

There is a reason I have a positive TB test...

[Loki]

@jolly said in Lab Leak?:

@loki said in Lab Leak?:

@jolly said in Lab Leak?:

@loki said in Lab Leak?:

@jolly said in Lab Leak?:

Folks, if this thing came from a wet market, as the BS story goes, there are no cases within many miles of where the bats live. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to look at transmission probabilities.

Nah, this thing is most likely engineered. Whether it is a lab accident is the part I feel is open to debate...

Especially if it’s great for fund raising.

Remind me, what BSL lab did you work in?

None for sure but I do have a close friend who is a leading virologist for a big Pharma company and he has stated to me directly it has all the markings of making a leap vs coming from a lab. I don’t know enough as to what to make of it but his education and reputation is pretty amazing.

I don't give a damn if you sleep with a virologist. Getting told ain't the same as donning the gloves and working under a negative pressure hood with something that can bite you.

There is a reason I have a positive TB test...

Ok. I have an open mind about what happened and even said earlier the lab theory may be more than possible. Lots of smart people on both sides and a lot of ham handed stuff going on as well. Funding raising on Fauci’s name is definitely a thing and I don’t need to have spent time in a lab to know that.

I’m sure over time more will come out.

[Jolly]

I don't know if we'll actually learn much more or not. The Chinese have already destroyed evidence. I suspect they have done a pretty thorough scrub job. I also suspect they'll buy as many scientists as they need to and have them muddy the waters.