Ivermectin
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wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 15:51 last edited by
Yep. Study away. Then talk to me about it as a treatment.
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wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 16:14 last edited by
@mik said in Ivermectin:
Yep. Study away. Then talk to me about it as a treatment.
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With hydroxychoroquine it was the only hope at the time and I was frustrated that it was so roundly criticized as it felt political and there was no other hope.
With ivermectin it would be a dream come true for billions of people that really can’t get the vaccine.
My sensitivity arises when I perceive it as proposed as the better “or” rather than “and”.
Some of the proponents are on record in their discussion of Ivermectin as the better approach and there is a scientific obligation to correct that- until proven otherwise.
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wrote on 12 Aug 2021, 13:38 last edited by
Major study of Ivermectin finds 'no effect whatsoever'
Ivermectin, the latest supposed treatment for COVID-19 being touted by anti-vaccination groups, had "no effect whatsoever" on the disease, according to a large patient study.
That's the conclusion of the Together Trial, which has subjected several purported nonvaccine treatments for COVID-19 to carefully designed clinical testing. The trial is supervised by McMaster University in Hamilton, Canada, and conducted in Brazil.
One of the trial's principal investigators, Edward Mills of McMaster, presented the results from the Ivermectin arms of the study at an Aug. 6 symposium sponsored by the National Institutes of Health.
I've had enough abuse and so have the other clinical trialists doing Ivermectin. Others working in this area have been threatened, their families have been threatened, they've been defamed.
Edward Mills, COVID researcherAmong the 1,500 patients in the study, he said, Ivermectin showed "no effect whatsoever" on the trial's outcome goals — whether patients required extended observation in the emergency room or hospitalization.
"In our specific trial," he said, "we do not see the treatment benefit that a lot of the advocates believe should have been" seen.
The study's results on Ivermectin haven't been formally published or peer-reviewed. Earlier peer-reviewed results from the Together Trial related to the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine, which had been touted as a miracle treatment for COVID by then-President Trump, were published in April; they showed no significant therapeutic effect on the virus.
The findings on Ivermectin are yet another blow for advocates promoting the drug as a magic bullet against COVID-19. Ivermectin was developed as a treatment for parasitical diseases, mostly for veterinarians, though it's also used against some human parasites.
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wrote on 12 Aug 2021, 15:34 last edited by
Anecdotal comment to follow:
Another treatment, remdesivir, is being used at least one hospital. It requires a 4 day admission. It has been suggested a rise in hospitalizations is tied to this protocol.
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wrote on 12 Aug 2021, 15:49 last edited by
That is entirely possible.
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wrote on 12 Aug 2021, 15:57 last edited by
Glad they did this study. I'll be curious to see whether Weinstein accepts it. No comment on Twitter at the time of this writing.
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wrote on 21 Aug 2021, 20:58 last edited by
Here's why I hate the media.
Personally, I have no opinion on the effectiveness of ivermectin. This is NOT an endorsement of the drug.
CNN's Headline: Health officials warn people not to take a drug meant for livestock to ward off or treat Covid-19
Mississippi health officials are warning residents not to take an anti-parasitic drug -- in most cases, a formulation purchased at livestock supply centers -- to treat or prevent Covid-19.
The Mississippi State Department of Health issued an alert on Friday that the Mississippi Poison Control Center has received an increasing number of calls from people who have taken the drug known as ivermectin -- and that at least 70% of such calls related to "ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply centers."
While there are human uses for the drug, the US Food and Drug Administration has not approved ivermectin to treat or prevent Covid-19 in humans and the drug is not an anti-viral medication.
Ah, "while there are human uses...."
So, IOW, it's not just a livestock drug as the headline screams.
Ivermectin, sold under the brand name Stromectol among others, is a medication that is used to treat parasite infestations. In humans, this includes head lice, scabies, river blindness (onchocerciasis), strongyloidiasis, trichuriasis, ascariasis, and lymphatic filariasis.
Assholes.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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wrote on 21 Aug 2021, 22:18 last edited by
Indeed.
Saw NBC news this morning. They described Biden as ‘steadfast’ on his strategy in Afghanistan. I cannot help but wonder what their word choices would have been if t were Trump.
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Indeed.
Saw NBC news this morning. They described Biden as ‘steadfast’ on his strategy in Afghanistan. I cannot help but wonder what their word choices would have been if t were Trump.
wrote on 21 Aug 2021, 22:31 last edited by@mik said in Ivermectin:
I cannot help but wonder what their word choices would have been if t were Trump.
"Stubborn"
"Inflexible"
"Entrenched"Those work?
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@mik said in Ivermectin:
I cannot help but wonder what their word choices would have been if t were Trump.
"Stubborn"
"Inflexible"
"Entrenched"Those work?
wrote on 21 Aug 2021, 23:28 last edited by@george-k said in Ivermectin:
@mik said in Ivermectin:
I cannot help but wonder what their word choices would have been if t were Trump.
"Stubborn"
"Inflexible"
"Entrenched"Those work?
Maybe “doubled down” or “dug in”.
Look up “Russell conjugation”.
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wrote on 21 Aug 2021, 23:30 last edited by
Reckless
out-of-control
uninformed
in a rage
impulsive
flaming monster
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wrote on 29 Aug 2021, 05:22 last edited by
Apparently, Ivermectin didn't work as well as planned.
Reuters
An anti-vaxx police officer has died in Georgia after a short battle with COVID-19.Captain Joe Manning posted anti-vaxx messages on Facebook and took the drug ivermectin.
A Georgia police officer who frequently posted anti-vaxx messages on Facebook and took an anti-parasitic drug instead of a vaccine has died of COVID-19.
Captain Joe Manning, 57, of the Wayne County Sheriff's Office died on Wednesday after a short battle with the virus, according to local news station WSAV.
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wrote on 29 Aug 2021, 14:22 last edited by
Just listened to Bret Weinstein's podcast again yesterday. A mea culpa was presented about some pro-Ivermectin study that now seems likely to be fraudulent. But no update to his belief in the value of Ivermectin.
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Just listened to Bret Weinstein's podcast again yesterday. A mea culpa was presented about some pro-Ivermectin study that now seems likely to be fraudulent. But no update to his belief in the value of Ivermectin.
wrote on 29 Aug 2021, 14:24 last edited by@horace said in Ivermectin:
A mea culpa was presented about some pro-Ivermectin study that now seems likely to be fraudulent.
I think you're referring to the Egyptian study. I may have linked to it.
A couple of people found that that study was rife with statistical errors, made-up data, and plagiarism.
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@horace said in Ivermectin:
A mea culpa was presented about some pro-Ivermectin study that now seems likely to be fraudulent.
I think you're referring to the Egyptian study. I may have linked to it.
A couple of people found that that study was rife with statistical errors, made-up data, and plagiarism.
wrote on 29 Aug 2021, 14:28 last edited by@george-k said in Ivermectin:
@horace said in Ivermectin:
A mea culpa was presented about some pro-Ivermectin study that now seems likely to be fraudulent.
I think you're referring to the Egyptian study. I may have linked to it.
A couple of people found that that study was rife with statistical errors, made-up data, and plagiarism.
Sadly no, I'm not referring to that study. This was another one, I think out of Argentina, which focused on the prophylactic effects of the drug, rather than curative effects. When Bret discussed the Egypt study a couple weeks ago, he shrugged it off, and reminded everybody that he's most excited about the prophylactic value of Ivermectin. Now when discussing this Argentina study, he mentioned that it didn't say anything about the curative properties. Sigh.
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Here's why I hate the media.
Personally, I have no opinion on the effectiveness of ivermectin. This is NOT an endorsement of the drug.
CNN's Headline: Health officials warn people not to take a drug meant for livestock to ward off or treat Covid-19
Mississippi health officials are warning residents not to take an anti-parasitic drug -- in most cases, a formulation purchased at livestock supply centers -- to treat or prevent Covid-19.
The Mississippi State Department of Health issued an alert on Friday that the Mississippi Poison Control Center has received an increasing number of calls from people who have taken the drug known as ivermectin -- and that at least 70% of such calls related to "ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply centers."
While there are human uses for the drug, the US Food and Drug Administration has not approved ivermectin to treat or prevent Covid-19 in humans and the drug is not an anti-viral medication.
Ah, "while there are human uses...."
So, IOW, it's not just a livestock drug as the headline screams.
Ivermectin, sold under the brand name Stromectol among others, is a medication that is used to treat parasite infestations. In humans, this includes head lice, scabies, river blindness (onchocerciasis), strongyloidiasis, trichuriasis, ascariasis, and lymphatic filariasis.
Assholes.
wrote on 30 Aug 2021, 11:19 last edited by@george-k said in Ivermectin:
Here's why I hate the media.
Personally, I have no opinion on the effectiveness of ivermectin. This is NOT an endorsement of the drug.
CNN's Headline: Health officials warn people not to take a drug meant for livestock to ward off or treat Covid-19
Mississippi health officials are warning residents not to take an anti-parasitic drug -- in most cases, a formulation purchased at livestock supply centers -- to treat or prevent Covid-19.
The Mississippi State Department of Health issued an alert on Friday that the Mississippi Poison Control Center has received an increasing number of calls from people who have taken the drug known as ivermectin -- and that at least 70% of such calls related to "ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply centers."
While there are human uses for the drug, the US Food and Drug Administration has not approved ivermectin to treat or prevent Covid-19 in humans and the drug is not an anti-viral medication.
Ah, "while there are human uses...."
So, IOW, it's not just a livestock drug as the headline screams.
Ivermectin, sold under the brand name Stromectol among others, is a medication that is used to treat parasite infestations. In humans, this includes head lice, scabies, river blindness (onchocerciasis), strongyloidiasis, trichuriasis, ascariasis, and lymphatic filariasis.
Assholes.
Again, this is supposed to be a hard news piece:
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@george-k said in Ivermectin:
Here's why I hate the media.
Personally, I have no opinion on the effectiveness of ivermectin. This is NOT an endorsement of the drug.
CNN's Headline: Health officials warn people not to take a drug meant for livestock to ward off or treat Covid-19
Mississippi health officials are warning residents not to take an anti-parasitic drug -- in most cases, a formulation purchased at livestock supply centers -- to treat or prevent Covid-19.
The Mississippi State Department of Health issued an alert on Friday that the Mississippi Poison Control Center has received an increasing number of calls from people who have taken the drug known as ivermectin -- and that at least 70% of such calls related to "ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply centers."
While there are human uses for the drug, the US Food and Drug Administration has not approved ivermectin to treat or prevent Covid-19 in humans and the drug is not an anti-viral medication.
Ah, "while there are human uses...."
So, IOW, it's not just a livestock drug as the headline screams.
Ivermectin, sold under the brand name Stromectol among others, is a medication that is used to treat parasite infestations. In humans, this includes head lice, scabies, river blindness (onchocerciasis), strongyloidiasis, trichuriasis, ascariasis, and lymphatic filariasis.
Assholes.
Again, this is supposed to be a hard news piece:
wrote on 30 Aug 2021, 11:29 last edited by@jolly said in Ivermectin:
Again, this is supposed to be a hard news piece:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tv/ivermectin-debacle-exposes-hypocrisy-of-anti-vaccine-crowd/vi-AANQRE2CNN's Pamela Brown reports this includes an anti-parasitic medicine for horses and cows.
AND HUMANS, you assholes.
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wrote on 30 Aug 2021, 11:50 last edited by
And this is CNN.
It's a great hard news story, but they spent more time researching clips of commentators on FOX than they did on actually reporting the news about the drug.
BTW, did y'all know that CNN has two FTE's tasked to monitoring FOX News programming?
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wrote on 30 Aug 2021, 12:48 last edited by
The issue is it is almost impossible to get the human form of ivermectin so all the anti vaxxers are sharing tips and tricks to get it in animal form. I saw a FB site (reading it was ghoulish) dedicated to such and some podcasts. It’s still a thing even as a few major anti vax ivermectin taking and pumping leaders in Texas and Florida died of Covid this past week.
So I think the emphasis on animal form has some merit in this context.
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wrote on 30 Aug 2021, 12:56 last edited by
The amount of dosage is all over the internet. The problem is that people do not follow it or that they're totally unfamiliar with how to deliver a paste dose from a syringe.
Ivermectin may not help them, but a normal dose has a very low probability of hurting them.
