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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #35

    https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/?fbclid=IwAR0D5cxJx_DATlLFfSAj21Fi7h64-lu7TwvNCW5fLpfne9u5dos2FuFKnCE

    Screen Shot 2020-06-21 at 4.54.34 PM.png

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      Flatten the curve, not eradicate the virus. It's always been about not overwhelming the medical system.

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      Doctor Phibes
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      #36

      @Jolly said in rt.live:

      Flatten the curve, not eradicate the virus. It's always been about not overwhelming the medical system.

      Flattening the curve doesn't seem to be working for a lot of the country. Not particularly surprising when you see how everybody is behaving.

      I was only joking

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      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

        @Jolly said in rt.live:

        Flatten the curve, not eradicate the virus. It's always been about not overwhelming the medical system.

        Flattening the curve doesn't seem to be working for a lot of the country. Not particularly surprising when you see how everybody is behaving.

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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #37

        @Doctor-Phibes said in rt.live:

        @Jolly said in rt.live:

        Flatten the curve, not eradicate the virus. It's always been about not overwhelming the medical system.

        Flattening the curve doesn't seem to be working for a lot of the country. Not particularly surprising when you see how everybody is behaving.

        "Flattening the Curve" was all about not overwhelming the healthcare facilities, not about reducing mortality or infection rates.

        I haven't read anything about hospitals and ICUs being overwhelmed, turning patients away in the last 5-6 weeks. Have you?

        If not, the "flattening" has worked. If you want to talk about infection rates, that's another discussion.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG George K

          @Doctor-Phibes said in rt.live:

          @Jolly said in rt.live:

          Flatten the curve, not eradicate the virus. It's always been about not overwhelming the medical system.

          Flattening the curve doesn't seem to be working for a lot of the country. Not particularly surprising when you see how everybody is behaving.

          "Flattening the Curve" was all about not overwhelming the healthcare facilities, not about reducing mortality or infection rates.

          I haven't read anything about hospitals and ICUs being overwhelmed, turning patients away in the last 5-6 weeks. Have you?

          If not, the "flattening" has worked. If you want to talk about infection rates, that's another discussion.

          KlausK Offline
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          Klaus
          wrote on last edited by
          #38

          @George-K said in rt.live:

          "Flattening the Curve" was all about not overwhelming the healthcare facilities, not about reducing mortality or infection rates.

          Exactly. Suddenly everyone is moving the goalpost. It would be great if we could stop the spread completely, but the cost is likely too high, and that wasn’t the goal in the first place.

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          • CopperC Offline
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            Copper
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            #39

            Thank you

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            • George KG George K

              @Doctor-Phibes said in rt.live:

              @Jolly said in rt.live:

              Flatten the curve, not eradicate the virus. It's always been about not overwhelming the medical system.

              Flattening the curve doesn't seem to be working for a lot of the country. Not particularly surprising when you see how everybody is behaving.

              "Flattening the Curve" was all about not overwhelming the healthcare facilities, not about reducing mortality or infection rates.

              I haven't read anything about hospitals and ICUs being overwhelmed, turning patients away in the last 5-6 weeks. Have you?

              If not, the "flattening" has worked. If you want to talk about infection rates, that's another discussion.

              Doctor PhibesD Offline
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              Doctor Phibes
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              #40

              @George-K said in rt.live:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in rt.live:

              @Jolly said in rt.live:

              Flatten the curve, not eradicate the virus. It's always been about not overwhelming the medical system.

              Flattening the curve doesn't seem to be working for a lot of the country. Not particularly surprising when you see how everybody is behaving.

              "Flattening the Curve" was all about not overwhelming the healthcare facilities, not about reducing mortality or infection rates.

              I haven't read anything about hospitals and ICUs being overwhelmed, turning patients away in the last 5-6 weeks. Have you?

              If not, the "flattening" has worked. If you want to talk about infection rates, that's another discussion.

              Unfortunately I think that one thing will lead inevitably to the other. I don't see how a high infection rate is sustainable without overwhelming the local hospitals. I'd love to be wrong.

              I was only joking

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              • KlausK Klaus

                @George-K said in rt.live:

                "Flattening the Curve" was all about not overwhelming the healthcare facilities, not about reducing mortality or infection rates.

                Exactly. Suddenly everyone is moving the goalpost. It would be great if we could stop the spread completely, but the cost is likely too high, and that wasn’t the goal in the first place.

                Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on last edited by
                #41

                @Klaus said in rt.live:

                @George-K said in rt.live:

                "Flattening the Curve" was all about not overwhelming the healthcare facilities, not about reducing mortality or infection rates.

                Exactly. Suddenly everyone is moving the goalpost. It would be great if we could stop the spread completely, but the cost is likely too high, and that wasn’t the goal in the first place.

                The 'behavior' I was referring to was protests, political rallies, massive groups of people congregating at the beach. The cost of not doing those things is not too high IMHO.

                I was only joking

                KlausK 1 Reply Last reply
                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  @George-K said in rt.live:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in rt.live:

                  @Jolly said in rt.live:

                  Flatten the curve, not eradicate the virus. It's always been about not overwhelming the medical system.

                  Flattening the curve doesn't seem to be working for a lot of the country. Not particularly surprising when you see how everybody is behaving.

                  "Flattening the Curve" was all about not overwhelming the healthcare facilities, not about reducing mortality or infection rates.

                  I haven't read anything about hospitals and ICUs being overwhelmed, turning patients away in the last 5-6 weeks. Have you?

                  If not, the "flattening" has worked. If you want to talk about infection rates, that's another discussion.

                  Unfortunately I think that one thing will lead inevitably to the other. I don't see how a high infection rate is sustainable without overwhelming the local hospitals. I'd love to be wrong.

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #42

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in rt.live:

                  @George-K said in rt.live:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in rt.live:

                  @Jolly said in rt.live:

                  Flatten the curve, not eradicate the virus. It's always been about not overwhelming the medical system.

                  Flattening the curve doesn't seem to be working for a lot of the country. Not particularly surprising when you see how everybody is behaving.

                  "Flattening the Curve" was all about not overwhelming the healthcare facilities, not about reducing mortality or infection rates.

                  I haven't read anything about hospitals and ICUs being overwhelmed, turning patients away in the last 5-6 weeks. Have you?

                  If not, the "flattening" has worked. If you want to talk about infection rates, that's another discussion.

                  Unfortunately I think that one thing will lead inevitably to the other. I don't see how a high infection rate is sustainable without overwhelming the local hospitals. I'd love to be wrong.

                  Sadly, you're right.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    @George-K said in rt.live:

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in rt.live:

                    @Jolly said in rt.live:

                    Flatten the curve, not eradicate the virus. It's always been about not overwhelming the medical system.

                    Flattening the curve doesn't seem to be working for a lot of the country. Not particularly surprising when you see how everybody is behaving.

                    "Flattening the Curve" was all about not overwhelming the healthcare facilities, not about reducing mortality or infection rates.

                    I haven't read anything about hospitals and ICUs being overwhelmed, turning patients away in the last 5-6 weeks. Have you?

                    If not, the "flattening" has worked. If you want to talk about infection rates, that's another discussion.

                    Unfortunately I think that one thing will lead inevitably to the other. I don't see how a high infection rate is sustainable without overwhelming the local hospitals. I'd love to be wrong.

                    LuFins DadL Offline
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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #43

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in rt.live:

                    @George-K said in rt.live:

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in rt.live:

                    @Jolly said in rt.live:

                    Flatten the curve, not eradicate the virus. It's always been about not overwhelming the medical system.

                    Flattening the curve doesn't seem to be working for a lot of the country. Not particularly surprising when you see how everybody is behaving.

                    "Flattening the Curve" was all about not overwhelming the healthcare facilities, not about reducing mortality or infection rates.

                    I haven't read anything about hospitals and ICUs being overwhelmed, turning patients away in the last 5-6 weeks. Have you?

                    If not, the "flattening" has worked. If you want to talk about infection rates, that's another discussion.

                    Unfortunately I think that one thing will lead inevitably to the other. I don't see how a high infection rate is sustainable without overwhelming the local hospitals. I'd love to be wrong.

                    What do you define as "high" and over how long of a period of time?

                    Virginia is adding on 500 cases a day, and we are being told that is quite manageable for a long time. On April 22nd we were adding on 600 cases a day and it was the apocalypse...

                    The Brad

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @Klaus said in rt.live:

                      @George-K said in rt.live:

                      "Flattening the Curve" was all about not overwhelming the healthcare facilities, not about reducing mortality or infection rates.

                      Exactly. Suddenly everyone is moving the goalpost. It would be great if we could stop the spread completely, but the cost is likely too high, and that wasn’t the goal in the first place.

                      The 'behavior' I was referring to was protests, political rallies, massive groups of people congregating at the beach. The cost of not doing those things is not too high IMHO.

                      KlausK Offline
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                      Klaus
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #44

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in rt.live:

                      The 'behavior' I was referring to was protests, political rallies, massive groups of people congregating at the beach. The cost of not doing those things is not too high IMHO.

                      I agree about the beach, and I also agree about the current protests and rallies. However, that doesn't mean that the costs of all protests are too high. There are some political causes that are worth some risk.

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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        #45

                        Hypothetically, there's always something worth putting people at risk over. For some people, it's defending against the Nazi hordes, for others it's getting childcare 250 miles away and visiting a historic monument to "test their eyesight".

                        I was only joking

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                          Renauda
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                          #46

                          For some reason I cannot think of any political cause at the moment worth that risk. Colour me complacent.

                          Elbows up!

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                            Black lives have been considered worthless for all of America’s history. If white people die of COVID due to the BLM protests, well, good.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              Copper
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                              Yes, those whites are awful

                              The men are the worst

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                                Doctor Phibes
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                                According to rt.live Massachusetts now has the lowest transmission rate in the country. I seem to think 3 months ago we were 3rd or 4th highest.

                                You do see a lot of masks here, even out in the burbs.

                                I was only joking

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                                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                  According to rt.live Massachusetts now has the lowest transmission rate in the country. I seem to think 3 months ago we were 3rd or 4th highest.

                                  You do see a lot of masks here, even out in the burbs.

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                                  #50

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in rt.live:

                                  According to rt.live Massachusetts now has the lowest transmission rate in the country. I seem to think 3 months ago we were 3rd or 4th highest.

                                  You do see a lot of masks here, even out in the burbs.

                                  It’s true that Mass is doing a great job currently but so are most if not all the states that got hit the hardest initially. Whether they are doing something different or there is a bit of catch up going on is an interesting question. I have no position on this just a data observation.

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/?fbclid=IwAR0D5cxJx_DATlLFfSAj21Fi7h64-lu7TwvNCW5fLpfne9u5dos2FuFKnCE

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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    @George-K said in rt.live:

                                    https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/?fbclid=IwAR0D5cxJx_DATlLFfSAj21Fi7h64-lu7TwvNCW5fLpfne9u5dos2FuFKnCE

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                                    Check it out today...

                                    https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/?fbclid=IwAR0D5cxJx_DATlLFfSAj21Fi7h64-lu7TwvNCW5fLpfne9u5dos2FuFKnCE

                                    The Brad

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      @George-K said in rt.live:

                                      https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/?fbclid=IwAR0D5cxJx_DATlLFfSAj21Fi7h64-lu7TwvNCW5fLpfne9u5dos2FuFKnCE

                                      Screen Shot 2020-06-21 at 4.54.34 PM.png

                                      Check it out today...

                                      https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/?fbclid=IwAR0D5cxJx_DATlLFfSAj21Fi7h64-lu7TwvNCW5fLpfne9u5dos2FuFKnCE

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                                      @LuFins-Dad Wow!!!

                                      Can the states that are doing so well continue to do so? I would think that maybe they can.

                                      People may be realizing the situation that is occurring around the US, and that may make them follow the rules/recommendations more closely (states like IL, CT, ND, etc). At least I hope so.

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                                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                        @George-K said in rt.live:

                                        https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/?fbclid=IwAR0D5cxJx_DATlLFfSAj21Fi7h64-lu7TwvNCW5fLpfne9u5dos2FuFKnCE

                                        Screen Shot 2020-06-21 at 4.54.34 PM.png

                                        Check it out today...

                                        https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/?fbclid=IwAR0D5cxJx_DATlLFfSAj21Fi7h64-lu7TwvNCW5fLpfne9u5dos2FuFKnCE

                                        George KG Offline
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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #53

                                        @LuFins-Dad said in rt.live:

                                        Check it out today...

                                        Well, crap.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          #54

                                          Interesting stat, new cases (rolling) per 1MM population per day.

                                          AZ 384
                                          SC 207
                                          AK 196
                                          FL 187
                                          MS 186
                                          TX 158
                                          UT 158
                                          LA 147
                                          AL 146
                                          CA 125
                                          GA 137
                                          NV 129
                                          NC 123
                                          TN 109
                                          IA 106

                                          To put it in perspective, NY peaked at about 540 per million per day (rolling 7 day ave).

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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