What a way to spend Christmas
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@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
He is clearly an extraordinary human, and indeed an extraordinary winner. He is showing some of his most ridiculous traits these days, post-loss. But the fact that he is an extraordinary winner is a necessary ingredient of the hatred he's been targeted by.
You call them “most ridiculous traits”, I call it being a man-child.
On his winning streak. In terms of money, power and influence - he’s been insanely successful.
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@xenon I choose ridiculous intentionally. In that it leaves him open to public ridicule. I mean even more than he has been. He has intentionally engineered a personality immune from ridicule.
wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 20:03 last edited by@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@xenon I choose ridiculous intentionally. In that it leaves him open to public ridicule. I mean even more than he has been. He has intentionally engineered a personality immune from ridicule.
Well - ridicule typically follows actions that warrant ridicule. (Say for example a man acting like a child)
To what extent he engineered the personality, I don’t know. Maybe, he was already purpose-built for the moment.
But again, I’ll agree. His shamelessness is his greatest superpower.
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@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@xenon I choose ridiculous intentionally. In that it leaves him open to public ridicule. I mean even more than he has been. He has intentionally engineered a personality immune from ridicule.
Well - ridicule typically follows actions that warrant ridicule. (Say for example a man acting like a child)
To what extent he engineered the personality, I don’t know. Maybe, he was already purpose-built for the moment.
But again, I’ll agree. His shamelessness is his greatest superpower.
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wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 20:07 last edited by
@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Pick a better superpower.
I wish he would. But then, he wouldn’t be him.
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@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Pick a better superpower.
I wish he would. But then, he wouldn’t be him.
wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 20:21 last edited by@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Pick a better superpower.
I wish he would. But then, he wouldn’t be him.
It goes none of the way towards an explanation of why he wins. I think in more unbiased contexts, we would all say that politicians are shameless as a species.
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@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Pick a better superpower.
I wish he would. But then, he wouldn’t be him.
It goes none of the way towards an explanation of why he wins. I think in more unbiased contexts, we would all say that politicians are shameless as a species.
wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 20:24 last edited by xenon@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Pick a better superpower.
I wish he would. But then, he wouldn’t be him.
It goes none of the way towards an explanation of why he wins. I think in more unbiased contexts, we would all say that politicians are shameless as a species.
Trump wins in politics because he’s an effective fighter on some key culture war topics (immigration, the relative devaluing of American labor, patriotism, etc.). He’s not winning because of policy.
And on shamelessness (being petulant, being consistent with your self, etc.) - he’s in a different galaxy than other politicians. This is the extraordinary part about him. I can picture other people being effective and winning with a similar, clear posture on culture. What makes Trump unique is his shamelessness. I don’t see that being replicated. That’s why I called it a superpower.
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@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Pick a better superpower.
I wish he would. But then, he wouldn’t be him.
It goes none of the way towards an explanation of why he wins. I think in more unbiased contexts, we would all say that politicians are shameless as a species.
Trump wins in politics because he’s an effective fighter on some key culture war topics (immigration, the relative devaluing of American labor, patriotism, etc.). He’s not winning because of policy.
And on shamelessness (being petulant, being consistent with your self, etc.) - he’s in a different galaxy than other politicians. This is the extraordinary part about him. I can picture other people being effective and winning with a similar, clear posture on culture. What makes Trump unique is his shamelessness. I don’t see that being replicated. That’s why I called it a superpower.
wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 20:31 last edited by Horace@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Pick a better superpower.
I wish he would. But then, he wouldn’t be him.
It goes none of the way towards an explanation of why he wins. I think in more unbiased contexts, we would all say that politicians are shameless as a species.
Trump wins in politics because he’s an effective fighter on some key culture war topics (immigration, the relative devaluing of American labor, etc.). He’s not winning because of policy.
And on shamelessness (being petulant, being consistent with your self, etc.) - he’s in a different galaxy than other politicians.
But it’s a feature, not a bug with him. Because he’s a culture fighter.
He carved out an individual space for himself in the long standing MSM left-leaning culture which almost everybody understood, and liked or disliked to their own individual taste. Against that backdrop, shamelessness is an inevitability. Shame is the weapon pop culture weilds against iconoclasts like Trump. So you witnessed someone with a strength in that area, but the degree to which he weilded it was in keeping with the strength of the attacks he had to withstand. What he had was empathy for the 10s of millions of people who, along with the rest of the country, understood the MSM narrative against the right, and didn't like it much. It was an unspoken truth, carefully shamed away by those who liked that bias. He noticed it, it did indeed have something to do with empathy, and strategic awareness, and he used it to become the most powerful person in the world. Even post loss, he will occupy minds of his haters forever.
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@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Pick a better superpower.
I wish he would. But then, he wouldn’t be him.
It goes none of the way towards an explanation of why he wins. I think in more unbiased contexts, we would all say that politicians are shameless as a species.
Trump wins in politics because he’s an effective fighter on some key culture war topics (immigration, the relative devaluing of American labor, patriotism, etc.). He’s not winning because of policy.
And on shamelessness (being petulant, being consistent with your self, etc.) - he’s in a different galaxy than other politicians. This is the extraordinary part about him. I can picture other people being effective and winning with a similar, clear posture on culture. What makes Trump unique is his shamelessness. I don’t see that being replicated. That’s why I called it a superpower.
wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 22:20 last edited by@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
What makes Trump unique is his shamelessness.
Are we still talking about politicians?
Are you saying that there are no other shameless politicians?
He is unique.
I think man-child might not be the only vocabulary problem. Maybe you should look up the word unique.
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@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Pick a better superpower.
I wish he would. But then, he wouldn’t be him.
It goes none of the way towards an explanation of why he wins. I think in more unbiased contexts, we would all say that politicians are shameless as a species.
Trump wins in politics because he’s an effective fighter on some key culture war topics (immigration, the relative devaluing of American labor, etc.). He’s not winning because of policy.
And on shamelessness (being petulant, being consistent with your self, etc.) - he’s in a different galaxy than other politicians.
But it’s a feature, not a bug with him. Because he’s a culture fighter.
He carved out an individual space for himself in the long standing MSM left-leaning culture which almost everybody understood, and liked or disliked to their own individual taste. Against that backdrop, shamelessness is an inevitability. Shame is the weapon pop culture weilds against iconoclasts like Trump. So you witnessed someone with a strength in that area, but the degree to which he weilded it was in keeping with the strength of the attacks he had to withstand. What he had was empathy for the 10s of millions of people who, along with the rest of the country, understood the MSM narrative against the right, and didn't like it much. It was an unspoken truth, carefully shamed away by those who liked that bias. He noticed it, it did indeed have something to do with empathy, and strategic awareness, and he used it to become the most powerful person in the world. Even post loss, he will occupy minds of his haters forever.
wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 22:23 last edited by@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Pick a better superpower.
I wish he would. But then, he wouldn’t be him.
It goes none of the way towards an explanation of why he wins. I think in more unbiased contexts, we would all say that politicians are shameless as a species.
Trump wins in politics because he’s an effective fighter on some key culture war topics (immigration, the relative devaluing of American labor, etc.). He’s not winning because of policy.
And on shamelessness (being petulant, being consistent with your self, etc.) - he’s in a different galaxy than other politicians.
But it’s a feature, not a bug with him. Because he’s a culture fighter.
He carved out an individual space for himself in the long standing MSM left-leaning culture which almost everybody understood, and liked or disliked to their own individual taste. Against that backdrop, shamelessness is an inevitability. Shame is the weapon pop culture weilds against iconoclasts like Trump. So you witnessed someone with a strength in that area, but the degree to which he weilded it was in keeping with the strength of the attacks he had to withstand. What he had was empathy for the 10s of millions of people who, along with the rest of the country, understood the MSM narrative against the right, and didn't like it much. It was an unspoken truth, carefully shamed away by those who liked that bias. He noticed it, it did indeed have something to do with empathy, and strategic awareness, and he used it to become the most powerful person in the world. Even post loss, he will occupy minds of his haters forever.
Our entire culture is shameless and often proud of it, believing it is justified. What’s shameless is calling out one person as shameless.
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@copper said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Yes, of course that is the bigger problem
The man-child thing
He is a man-child
That is how he built his business, by being a man-child
That is how he became president of the United States, he is a man-child
That is all he is, a man-child
That is the problem, the man-child
So being POTUS and having money absolve you of character flaws, or mean you can’t have character flaws?
Trump is a whiny, small man. Having money doesn’t change that.
wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 23:06 last edited by@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@copper said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Yes, of course that is the bigger problem
The man-child thing
He is a man-child
That is how he built his business, by being a man-child
That is how he became president of the United States, he is a man-child
That is all he is, a man-child
That is the problem, the man-child
So being POTUS and having money absolve you of character flaws, or mean you can’t have character flaws?
Trump is a whiny, small man. Having money doesn’t change that.
A "whiny, small man"......
Jesus.
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@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@copper said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Yes, of course that is the bigger problem
The man-child thing
He is a man-child
That is how he built his business, by being a man-child
That is how he became president of the United States, he is a man-child
That is all he is, a man-child
That is the problem, the man-child
So being POTUS and having money absolve you of character flaws, or mean you can’t have character flaws?
Trump is a whiny, small man. Having money doesn’t change that.
A "whiny, small man"......
Jesus.
wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 00:58 last edited by@larry said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@copper said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Yes, of course that is the bigger problem
The man-child thing
He is a man-child
That is how he built his business, by being a man-child
That is how he became president of the United States, he is a man-child
That is all he is, a man-child
That is the problem, the man-child
So being POTUS and having money absolve you of character flaws, or mean you can’t have character flaws?
Trump is a whiny, small man. Having money doesn’t change that.
A "whiny, small man"......
Jesus.
Oh you’re right. He’s a magnanimous man who lets irrelevant slights roll off his back. He doesn’t do anything that’s beneath the office he holds.
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@larry said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@copper said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Yes, of course that is the bigger problem
The man-child thing
He is a man-child
That is how he built his business, by being a man-child
That is how he became president of the United States, he is a man-child
That is all he is, a man-child
That is the problem, the man-child
So being POTUS and having money absolve you of character flaws, or mean you can’t have character flaws?
Trump is a whiny, small man. Having money doesn’t change that.
A "whiny, small man"......
Jesus.
Oh you’re right. He’s a magnanimous man who lets irrelevant slights roll off his back. He doesn’t do anything that’s beneath the office he holds.
wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 01:15 last edited by George K@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
He doesn’t do anything that’s beneath the office he holds.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-quiet-acts-kindness/
The man can be petty, and, dare I say, loathsome in his behavior. But even Snopes finds random acts of kindness.
Which he didn't brag about.
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@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
He doesn’t do anything that’s beneath the office he holds.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-quiet-acts-kindness/
The man can be petty, and, dare I say, loathsome in his behavior. But even Snopes finds random acts of kindness.
Which he didn't brag about.
wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 02:37 last edited by@george-k said in What a way to spend Christmas:
But even Snopes finds random acts of kindness.
Which he didn't brag about.
I think this is true of most, maybe all, presidents.
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@larry said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@copper said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Yes, of course that is the bigger problem
The man-child thing
He is a man-child
That is how he built his business, by being a man-child
That is how he became president of the United States, he is a man-child
That is all he is, a man-child
That is the problem, the man-child
So being POTUS and having money absolve you of character flaws, or mean you can’t have character flaws?
Trump is a whiny, small man. Having money doesn’t change that.
A "whiny, small man"......
Jesus.
Oh you’re right. He’s a magnanimous man who lets irrelevant slights roll off his back. He doesn’t do anything that’s beneath the office he holds.
wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 03:18 last edited by@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@larry said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@copper said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Yes, of course that is the bigger problem
The man-child thing
He is a man-child
That is how he built his business, by being a man-child
That is how he became president of the United States, he is a man-child
That is all he is, a man-child
That is the problem, the man-child
So being POTUS and having money absolve you of character flaws, or mean you can’t have character flaws?
Trump is a whiny, small man. Having money doesn’t change that.
A "whiny, small man"......
Jesus.
Oh you’re right. He’s a magnanimous man who lets irrelevant slights roll off his back. He doesn’t do anything that’s beneath the office he holds.
I just think it's funny watching a whiny, small man complaining that someone else is a whiny, small man.
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@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@larry said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@copper said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Yes, of course that is the bigger problem
The man-child thing
He is a man-child
That is how he built his business, by being a man-child
That is how he became president of the United States, he is a man-child
That is all he is, a man-child
That is the problem, the man-child
So being POTUS and having money absolve you of character flaws, or mean you can’t have character flaws?
Trump is a whiny, small man. Having money doesn’t change that.
A "whiny, small man"......
Jesus.
Oh you’re right. He’s a magnanimous man who lets irrelevant slights roll off his back. He doesn’t do anything that’s beneath the office he holds.
I just think it's funny watching a whiny, small man complaining that someone else is a whiny, small man.
wrote on 28 Dec 2020, 03:36 last edited by@larry said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@larry said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@copper said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Yes, of course that is the bigger problem
The man-child thing
He is a man-child
That is how he built his business, by being a man-child
That is how he became president of the United States, he is a man-child
That is all he is, a man-child
That is the problem, the man-child
So being POTUS and having money absolve you of character flaws, or mean you can’t have character flaws?
Trump is a whiny, small man. Having money doesn’t change that.
A "whiny, small man"......
Jesus.
Oh you’re right. He’s a magnanimous man who lets irrelevant slights roll off his back. He doesn’t do anything that’s beneath the office he holds.
I just think it's funny watching a whiny, small man complaining that someone else is a whiny, small man.
Well you shoulda recorded yourself typing this out, then put it on repeat. You’d have non-stop laughs.