Vaccine Rollout
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Aqua's points are well-taken, and well-explained.
But...
Here's what gets me: The "science" isn't "science" - yet. For now, and probably for the next year, it's all guesswork based on past experience which, as we've seen, is irrelevant. Making huge policy decisions driven by what is really no better than a hunch suggested by previous experience is dangerous. The scientific method is not being applied here, it's all retrospective and guesses.
We won't know shit about this for a long, long time.
Do masks work? I dunno - I see so much contradictory information. Do I wear one? Yeah (while avoiding people with cloth masks).
We Just. Don't. Know.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Whatever happened to "my body, my choice"?
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
@jolly said in Vaccine Rollout:
Whatever happened to "my body, my choice"?
Doesn’t trump jobs and a functioning economy. We don’t all just march off a cliff like lemmings.
Dude, if it's good enough for a premeditated killing, it's good enough for any individual choice.
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@george-k said in Vaccine Rollout:
Making huge policy decisions driven by what is really no better than a hunch suggested by previous experience is dangerous.
I don't disagree. But are you suggesting we do nothing until we have ten-year cohort studies? I doubt you are.
At some point, we gotta make educated guesses. By all means let's debate how good they've been so far, because we've screwed up plenty. But making educated guesses is the best we can do for now.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/29/health/covid-vaccine-johnson-and-johnson-variants.html
Johnson & Johnson vaccine has significantly reduced effective rates in places with new SARS-CoV-2 variants, but still remain fairly effective at reducing the severity of symptoms for those who contracted COVID-19 after vaccination.
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@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
My first take of J&J effectiveness at 68% was oh that’s not sogreat but preventing 100% of hospitalizations and deaths is awesome. So for me it’s an unmitigated success if this data holds up.
I had the exact same response, in that order.
Please love yourself.
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@aqua-letifer said in Vaccine Rollout:
@loki said in Vaccine Rollout:
My first take of J&J effectiveness at 68% was oh that’s not sogreat but preventing 100% of hospitalizations and deaths is awesome. So for me it’s an unmitigated success if this data holds up.
I had the exact same response, in that order.
I wonder what the timeframe was for the 68%? The small scale study a few weeks back showed a lower number over the first few weeks, but 100% efficacy after 51 days... I wonder if the slower antibody development time is affecting the numbers?
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Report on COVID-19 vaccine waste. CDC statistics says there have been fewer than 200k doses wasted. Seeing that across the USA have already administered over 200 million doses, the waste rate is well under 0.1%. Most of that waste were attributed to CVS and Walgreen’s earlier efforts to inoculate seniors in care facilities.
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Beer for Vaccination:
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/jersey-offers-free-beer-residents-vaccinated/story?id=77467896“A vaccination card will be the ticket for a free brewski in the Garden State this month.
New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy announced a "Shot and a Beer” program Monday that provides a free glass of beer at participating locations to anyone over 21 who gets their first vaccination dose this month. The plan is part of Murphy's multipronged approach to increasing the state's vaccination numbers and reach its goal of 4.7 million residents vaccinated by the end of June.”
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Cute but dumb... Everybody keeps telling me that it’s the religious right not getting vaccinated... Well a free beer won’t have much effect, there...
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@axtremus said in Vaccine Rollout:
Report on COVID-19 vaccine waste. CDC statistics says there have been fewer than 200k doses wasted. Seeing that across the USA have already administered over 200 million doses, the waste rate is well under 0.1%. Most of that waste were attributed to CVS and Walgreen’s earlier efforts to inoculate seniors in care facilities.
I think the article is unhelpful. Is there anyone, anywhere who thought this would all be handled flawlessly?
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@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Rollout:
Cute but dumb... Everybody keeps telling me that it’s the religious right not getting vaccinated... Well a free beer won’t have much effect, there...
Dude, it‘s part of a multipronged approach to get more people vaccianted. The state also engages religious organizations as part of its vaccination outreach effort. Besides, it’s New Jersey, the “religiuos right” is not exactly a big population there.
