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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
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    #1

    This deserves its own thread.

    The federal government has apparently neglected to give the company shipping instructions.

    The U.S. government declared back in November that it was ready and able to distribute 6.8 million doses the first week after the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued emergency use authorization for Pfizer/BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine and 40 million doses before the end of the year. That would be enough of the two-dose vaccine to inoculate 20 million Americans by January. That was then, this is now. Officials in various states are reporting that the shipments of the vaccine they expected next are now on hold.

    In a statement, Pfizer rebuts rumors that there is a shortfall in doses for its vaccine due to production delays. "Pfizer is not having any production issues with our COVID-19 vaccine, and no shipments containing the vaccine are on hold or delayed," notes the company. "This week, we successfully shipped all 2.9 million doses that we were asked to ship by the U.S. Government to the locations specified by them. We have millions more doses sitting in our warehouse but, as of now, we have not received any shipment instructions for additional doses."

    Sadly, the federal government appears to be dawdling again while the toll of COVID-19 deaths, hospitalizations, and new diagnoses continues to rise ever higher. It's not like there's a pandemic or anything going on.

    https://reason.com/2020/12/17/pfizer-says-millions-of-covid-19-vaccine-doses-are-sitting-unclaimed-in-warehouse-coolers/

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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    • MikM Offline
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      This herculean task just got started.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        kluurs
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        I'd keep my powder dry on this one. I suspect there is more to the story than what is alluded to.

        Certainly, one issue is the bad timing of having the vaccine being distributed during perhaps the greatest ever shipping season with both UPS and FedEx cutting off some of their customers due to the volume of shipping - and as a result the USPS is getting even more packages during a time when they're short staff due to COVID.

        But I find it difficult to believe anyone is asleep at the switch as is suggested by the article.

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
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          #4

          I’m sure more will come out, but it’s hard to imagine a good reason why vaccines are stacking up in warehouses with no instructions on where to ship them.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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          • kluursK kluurs

            I'd keep my powder dry on this one. I suspect there is more to the story than what is alluded to.

            Certainly, one issue is the bad timing of having the vaccine being distributed during perhaps the greatest ever shipping season with both UPS and FedEx cutting off some of their customers due to the volume of shipping - and as a result the USPS is getting even more packages during a time when they're short staff due to COVID.

            But I find it difficult to believe anyone is asleep at the switch as is suggested by the article.

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            @kluurs said in Millions of US-designated vaccines sitting in warehouses:

            I'd keep my powder dry on this one. I suspect there is more to the story than what is alluded to.

            Certainly, one issue is the bad timing of having the vaccine being distributed during perhaps the greatest ever shipping season with both UPS and FedEx cutting off some of their customers due to the volume of shipping - and as a result the USPS is getting even more packages during a time when they're short staff due to COVID.

            But I find it difficult to believe anyone is asleep at the switch as is suggested by the article.

            This.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • MikM Mik

              This herculean task just got started.

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              Loki
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              #6

              I was obsessed with this kind of stuff weeks ago and noted the media refused to talk about it.

              We so over rotated on vaccine trust and accusing Trump of lying Yada yada yada and now we are like where the fuck where is it. LOL

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                As Jolly says, some folks'd complain if you hung 'em with a new rope.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • MikM Mik

                  As Jolly says, some folks'd complain if you hung 'em with a new rope.

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                  I can understand a problem with FedEx, UPS and USPS, but the government also have a military capable of moving things to major and some minor locations and National Guard troops to move things locally. IF this is really an issue, that would seem a solution.

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                  • kluursK kluurs

                    I can understand a problem with FedEx, UPS and USPS, but the government also have a military capable of moving things to major and some minor locations and National Guard troops to move things locally. IF this is really an issue, that would seem a solution.

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                    jon-nyc
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                    @kluurs

                    Pfizer says they’ve received no shipping instructions. Can’t even call FedEx if you don’t have that.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      @kluurs

                      Pfizer says they’ve received no shipping instructions. Can’t even call FedEx if you don’t have that.

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                      kluurs
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                      #10

                      Assuming that is true, one can't give shipping instructions unless one has a shipper able to pick-up an deliver within a given timetable.

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                        As others have said, this is a massive shipping assignment in the middle of the busiest shipping time of year. It is not a surprise that there are some mistakes.

                        Find them, and fix the mistakes but does not really sound like a big situation.

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                          Axtremus
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                          Yeah, but if you believe Pfizer, they problem is not "lack of shipping capacity", but lack of shipping instructions, as in the government does not inform Pfizer where to ship. You cannot utilize shipping capacity if you do not know where to ship.

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                          • kluursK kluurs

                            Assuming that is true, one can't give shipping instructions unless one has a shipper able to pick-up an deliver within a given timetable.

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                            jon-nyc
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                            @kluurs said in Millions of US-designated vaccines sitting in warehouses:

                            Assuming that is true, one can't give shipping instructions unless one has a shipper able to pick-up an deliver within a given timetable.

                            That seems obviously false? Why would that impede the government from sending a text file to Pfizer?

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              @kluurs said in Millions of US-designated vaccines sitting in warehouses:

                              Assuming that is true, one can't give shipping instructions unless one has a shipper able to pick-up an deliver within a given timetable.

                              That seems obviously false? Why would that impede the government from sending a text file to Pfizer?

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                              @jon-nyc said in Millions of US-designated vaccines sitting in warehouses:

                              @kluurs said in Millions of US-designated vaccines sitting in warehouses:

                              Assuming that is true, one can't give shipping instructions unless one has a shipper able to pick-up an deliver within a given timetable.

                              That seems obviously false? Why would that impede the government from sending a text file to Pfizer?

                              What would impede the CEO of Pfizer putting in a call to the White House?

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                @jon-nyc said in Millions of US-designated vaccines sitting in warehouses:

                                @kluurs said in Millions of US-designated vaccines sitting in warehouses:

                                Assuming that is true, one can't give shipping instructions unless one has a shipper able to pick-up an deliver within a given timetable.

                                That seems obviously false? Why would that impede the government from sending a text file to Pfizer?

                                What would impede the CEO of Pfizer putting in a call to the White House?

                                jon-nycJ Online
                                jon-nycJ Online
                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #15

                                @jolly

                                What would impede Azar from calling Pfizer before blaming them for production shortages on national television?

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  I’m sure more will come out, but it’s hard to imagine a good reason why vaccines are stacking up in warehouses with no instructions on where to ship them.

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                                  I wonder if it’s at partly due to making sure the cold storage and handling equipment is also in place.

                                  Pfizer and the administration don’t exactly seem like each other...so they’re both probably happy to find ways to take pot shots at each other....while (hopefully) still ultimately getting the vaccine distributed quickly.

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                                    I wonder if it’s at partly due to making sure the cold storage and handling equipment is also in place.

                                    Pfizer and the administration don’t exactly seem like each other...so they’re both probably happy to find ways to take pot shots at each other....while (hopefully) still ultimately getting the vaccine distributed quickly.

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                                    @rich said in Millions of US-designated vaccines sitting in warehouses:

                                    I wonder if it’s at partly due to making sure the cold storage and handling equipment is also in place.

                                    Pfizer and the administration don’t exactly seem like each other...so they’re both probably happy to find ways to take pot shots at each other....while (hopefully) still ultimately getting the vaccine distributed quickly.

                                    This.

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      #18

                                      Head of Operation Warp Speed takes responsibility but still a lot of questions as to what steps they’re requiring between manufacturing and shipment. Looks like they’ve built in a minimum 48hr delay for the feds to inspect paperwork for each lot? Like I said it’s still unclear. But hopefully they can rationalize that.

                                      https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/12/19/vaccine-states-operation-warp-speed/

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        I agree with Jay. Very refreshing.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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