Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit
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wrote on 9 Dec 2020, 17:36 last edited by
This will be interesting to watch who signs on and who doesn’t.
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wrote on 9 Dec 2020, 17:40 last edited by
Which dimension of chess is this?
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wrote on 9 Dec 2020, 17:41 last edited by
Trump vows to intervene in the suit.
https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-election-trump-idUSKBN28J1VJ
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wrote on 9 Dec 2020, 17:47 last edited by jon-nyc 12 Sept 2020, 17:48
Texas says the quiet part out loud. They couldn’t have intervened earlier because they didn’t know who the winner would be! That is an amazing confession.
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wrote on 9 Dec 2020, 18:00 last edited by
That looks a lot like suicide chess to me.
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Texas says the quiet part out loud. They couldn’t have intervened earlier because they didn’t know who the winner would be! That is an amazing confession.
wrote on 9 Dec 2020, 18:49 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
Texas says the quiet part out loud. They couldn’t have intervened earlier because they didn’t know who the winner would be! That is an amazing confession.
I fail to see how this is any kind of "confession". Confession to what? That you can't prosecute someone of a crime until after they've committed the crime? Several other state AG's have joined the suit. It has to go straight to the supreme court, and there are already 2 previous rulings on the issue that set the precedent.
Too bad so sad don't be mad BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA
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wrote on 9 Dec 2020, 18:52 last edited by jon-nyc 12 Sept 2020, 18:52
It's not a confession of a crime, rather a motive for filing the suit.
You're supposed to pretend its about justice or principle or something. Not 'our guy lost'.
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wrote on 9 Dec 2020, 18:56 last edited by
Correct. And that's exactly what it is.
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Trump vows to intervene in the suit.
https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-election-trump-idUSKBN28J1VJ
wrote on 9 Dec 2020, 22:20 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
Trump vows to intervene in the suit.
https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-election-trump-idUSKBN28J1VJ
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wrote on 9 Dec 2020, 22:23 last edited by
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wrote on 9 Dec 2020, 22:25 last edited by
Trump isn't the one filing the Texas suit. The Texas attorney general is. He's an attorney. The 7 or 8 other states joining the suit are attorney general's for their states. All attorneys.
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wrote on 9 Dec 2020, 22:26 last edited by jon-nyc 12 Sept 2020, 22:27
Right, I'm not talking bout the suit itself, rather the promised and delivered 'intervention' from Trump. See my post above.
Notice it's titled "MOTION OF DONALD J. TRUMP, ...."
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wrote on 11 Dec 2020, 02:54 last edited by
16 states joined the suit.
Of course this happened.
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wrote on 11 Dec 2020, 03:04 last edited by
Andrew McCarthy on the suit:
If Texas’s theory is right, then every state now has standing to sue every other state over the latter’s administration of its own laws in connection with its own citizens if it can articulate some collateral consequence that may affect the allegedly injured state in some way. I have a hard time believing that the “Don’t Mess with Texas” State will want to live in the world that its attorney general proposes to create.
In point of fact, every claim raised in Texas’s complaint has already been rejected by other courts; in particular, the Third Circuit Court of Appeals (in two cases, here and here) and the federal district court in Pennsylvania (here).
Texas’s principal claim, for example, is that by administering the election in a way that deviated from their states’ laws, election officials in the defendant states usurped the authority of their state legislatures, in violation of the Constitution’s Electors Clause (Art. II, Sec. 1, Cl. 2). The Third Circuit has explained that not even the citizens of the states where this happened nor candidates for office have standing to press such a claim. How on earth would a different, comparatively unaffected state have standing? Not surprisingly, the rambling discussion of standing principles in Paxton’s brief cites no case holding that a state has standing to challenge another state’s administration of an election.
Finally, in its proposed lawsuit, Texas does exactly what the Third Circuit, in Trump for President v. Secretary, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, recently said a litigant may not do. It waited until the eleventh hour to file (beyond that, actually — the complaint was not submitted until after midnight on the federal safe-harbor day). It pleads conclusory allegations (including some, such as mentions of Dominion software, that are plainly included for atmospheric effect, unconnected to any claim for relief). It posits claims that have already been litigated and lost by parties that, unlike Texas, had some cognizable interests. And it seeks unprecedented, drastic relief — the undoing of other states’ elections and disenfranchisement of their citizens; the invocation of the Court’s purported “remedial authority” to order a new “special” election in those states; the vacating of the certification of electors by those states, and the barring of those states from voting in the Electoral College — without citing any case in which the courts have found such breathtaking authority to exist, much less exercised it.
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wrote on 11 Dec 2020, 03:24 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
16 states joined the suit.
Of course this happened.
all of this is so dumb and childish. -
Andrew McCarthy on the suit:
If Texas’s theory is right, then every state now has standing to sue every other state over the latter’s administration of its own laws in connection with its own citizens if it can articulate some collateral consequence that may affect the allegedly injured state in some way. I have a hard time believing that the “Don’t Mess with Texas” State will want to live in the world that its attorney general proposes to create.
In point of fact, every claim raised in Texas’s complaint has already been rejected by other courts; in particular, the Third Circuit Court of Appeals (in two cases, here and here) and the federal district court in Pennsylvania (here).
Texas’s principal claim, for example, is that by administering the election in a way that deviated from their states’ laws, election officials in the defendant states usurped the authority of their state legislatures, in violation of the Constitution’s Electors Clause (Art. II, Sec. 1, Cl. 2). The Third Circuit has explained that not even the citizens of the states where this happened nor candidates for office have standing to press such a claim. How on earth would a different, comparatively unaffected state have standing? Not surprisingly, the rambling discussion of standing principles in Paxton’s brief cites no case holding that a state has standing to challenge another state’s administration of an election.
Finally, in its proposed lawsuit, Texas does exactly what the Third Circuit, in Trump for President v. Secretary, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, recently said a litigant may not do. It waited until the eleventh hour to file (beyond that, actually — the complaint was not submitted until after midnight on the federal safe-harbor day). It pleads conclusory allegations (including some, such as mentions of Dominion software, that are plainly included for atmospheric effect, unconnected to any claim for relief). It posits claims that have already been litigated and lost by parties that, unlike Texas, had some cognizable interests. And it seeks unprecedented, drastic relief — the undoing of other states’ elections and disenfranchisement of their citizens; the invocation of the Court’s purported “remedial authority” to order a new “special” election in those states; the vacating of the certification of electors by those states, and the barring of those states from voting in the Electoral College — without citing any case in which the courts have found such breathtaking authority to exist, much less exercised it.
wrote on 11 Dec 2020, 03:39 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump trying to get the GOP to sign on to Texas’s useless lawsuit:
Andrew McCarthy on the suit:
If Texas’s theory is right, then every state now has standing to sue every other state over the latter’s administration of its own laws in connection with its own citizens if it can articulate some collateral consequence that may affect the allegedly injured state in some way. I have a hard time believing that the “Don’t Mess with Texas” State will want to live in the world that its attorney general proposes to create.
In point of fact, every claim raised in Texas’s complaint has already been rejected by other courts; in particular, the Third Circuit Court of Appeals (in two cases, here and here) and the federal district court in Pennsylvania (here).
Texas’s principal claim, for example, is that by administering the election in a way that deviated from their states’ laws, election officials in the defendant states usurped the authority of their state legislatures, in violation of the Constitution’s Electors Clause (Art. II, Sec. 1, Cl. 2). The Third Circuit has explained that not even the citizens of the states where this happened nor candidates for office have standing to press such a claim. How on earth would a different, comparatively unaffected state have standing? Not surprisingly, the rambling discussion of standing principles in Paxton’s brief cites no case holding that a state has standing to challenge another state’s administration of an election.
Finally, in its proposed lawsuit, Texas does exactly what the Third Circuit, in Trump for President v. Secretary, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, recently said a litigant may not do. It waited until the eleventh hour to file (beyond that, actually — the complaint was not submitted until after midnight on the federal safe-harbor day). It pleads conclusory allegations (including some, such as mentions of Dominion software, that are plainly included for atmospheric effect, unconnected to any claim for relief). It posits claims that have already been litigated and lost by parties that, unlike Texas, had some cognizable interests. And it seeks unprecedented, drastic relief — the undoing of other states’ elections and disenfranchisement of their citizens; the invocation of the Court’s purported “remedial authority” to order a new “special” election in those states; the vacating of the certification of electors by those states, and the barring of those states from voting in the Electoral College — without citing any case in which the courts have found such breathtaking authority to exist, much less exercised it.
It goes back to what I said about Trump’s first attempt in PA. He has no standing or right for the basis of the claim. The PA State Legislature (Republican) did. If they had filed the suit it would have been heard and had some weight. They didn’t.
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wrote on 11 Dec 2020, 03:49 last edited by
They’re going to give him a single sentence ending in the word “denied”.
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wrote on 11 Dec 2020, 04:08 last edited by
By the way, Ken Paxton, the Texas AG that filed this frivolity, is also angling for a pardon.
It’s notable that the Texas Solicitor General didn’t sign on. He actually argues cases in front of Scotus so has to retain some dignity.
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wrote on 11 Dec 2020, 04:45 last edited by
Jon, you can try to explain this away all you want, but the fact is this is real, and it's not going to end well for you., lol
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wrote on 11 Dec 2020, 04:59 last edited by xenon 12 Nov 2020, 05:00
This is gonna get laughed out of court - like all the shit before it. Embarrassing.