A 2025 Retrospective.
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@mik said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Words fail.
Try:
- A thesaurus
- Building up your vocabulary
- Learning a foreign language (presumably after you exhausted English words)
- Pictures / graphics
- Motion pictures / animated graphics, you can even add sound to this!
- Interpretive dance
wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 02:53 last edited by@axtremus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@mik said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Words fail.
Try:
- A thesaurus
- Building up your vocabulary
- Learning a foreign language (presumably after you exhausted English words)
- Pictures / graphics
- Motion pictures / animated graphics, you can even add sound to this!
- Interpretive dance
Ax, you willingly watch movies like The First Time. Please stop trying to be funny, it's embarrassing.
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wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 03:02 last edited by
Interesting that the richest Trump county is on Long Island.
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wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 03:05 last edited by
@george-k said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
I was assured that the Republicans are the party of the rich.
:man-shrugging:
I was assured that the Republicans all give, whereas the Democrats all take.
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@axtremus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@mik said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Words fail.
Try:
- A thesaurus
- Building up your vocabulary
- Learning a foreign language (presumably after you exhausted English words)
- Pictures / graphics
- Motion pictures / animated graphics, you can even add sound to this!
- Interpretive dance
Ax, you willingly watch movies like The First Time. Please stop trying to be funny, it's embarrassing.
wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 03:18 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Ax, you willingly watch movies like The First Time. Please stop trying to be funny, it's embarrassing.
Dance like no one is watching. Post like no one is reading.
BTW, have you watched "The Art of Self Defense"?
I watched it in a theater back in 2019, but I believe it is available on streaming services now. Give it a try, I think you'll like it.
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@Jolly, @Larry, since you two claim to operate farms, what would it be like if you operate your farm without using any technology from “big city” for, say a year?
For example, no refined fossil fuel, no internal combustion engine, no mass produced chemical fertilizer, no mass produced chemical insecticide, no genetically modified/enhanced seeds, no antibiotics and no artificial hormones for the farm animals, no taking advantage of weather and climate forecasts made with “big city” technologies, no electronic anything? (Not sure what restrictions to put on irrigation, not sure how much “big city” water distribution and filtration systems and technologies you rely on these days anyway.)
Might be very interesting to just try it for a year, and show ‘em city boys what’s possible without the cities. And it might give you great material to write a book and go onto talk show circuits and pod casts to talk about this after your year long experiment.
wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 03:29 last edited by Larry@axtremus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@Jolly, @Larry, since you two claim to operate farms, what would it be like if you operate your farm without using any technology from “big city” for, say a year?
For example, no refined fossil fuel, no internal combustion engine, no mass produced chemical fertilizer, no mass produced chemical insecticide, no genetically modified/enhanced seeds, no antibiotics and no artificial hormones for the farm animals, no taking advantage of weather and climate forecasts made with “big city” technologies, no electronic anything? (Not sure what restrictions to put on irrigation, not sure how much “big city” water distribution and filtration systems and technologies you rely on these days anyway.)
Might be very interesting to just try it for a year, and show ‘em city boys what’s possible without the cities. And it might give you great material to write a book and go onto talk show circuits and pod casts to talk about this after your year long experiment.
I don't "claim" do shit. Nor do I operate "farms". I DO own A farm, and in looking over your list, you proved how clueless and utterly useless you city boys are.
I'm quite sure the invention of the combustion engine did not require a city location. I'm equally certain antibiotics, fertilizer, insecticide, seeds, etc didn't result from the existence of cities. Wouldn't know about hormones, as I don't use them. If we got rid of all you city boys there wouldn't be a need for hormones in the first place. But come to think of it.. maybe the reason you city boys are such sissies is all that estrogen in the meat you're eating....
I don't need "big city weather technology" because I can tell when it's raining all by myself. Don't need irrigation, as plenty of water runs through the property, and the weather here is good. Don't need to filter the water either, because I don't have a pile of city boys pissing in my creek. Electricity is nice, can you point to a city with a major power generator in It? From what I've seen, most power is generated in rural areas.
I HAVE had city boys try to tell me how to run things though, like the time I got a letter from some city boy sitting in an office in Washington, telling me I couldn't put in a pond where I wanted to. I wanted to put it in a low spot that caught runoff so it would have fresh water flow. He wanted me to get on top of a hill and dig a hole. I told him the same thing I'm going to tell you:
"You don't know shit about this, so shut up."
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@axtremus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@Jolly, @Larry, since you two claim to operate farms, what would it be like if you operate your farm without using any technology from “big city” for, say a year?
For example, no refined fossil fuel, no internal combustion engine, no mass produced chemical fertilizer, no mass produced chemical insecticide, no genetically modified/enhanced seeds, no antibiotics and no artificial hormones for the farm animals, no taking advantage of weather and climate forecasts made with “big city” technologies, no electronic anything? (Not sure what restrictions to put on irrigation, not sure how much “big city” water distribution and filtration systems and technologies you rely on these days anyway.)
Might be very interesting to just try it for a year, and show ‘em city boys what’s possible without the cities. And it might give you great material to write a book and go onto talk show circuits and pod casts to talk about this after your year long experiment.
I don't "claim" do shit. Nor do I operate "farms". I DO own A farm, and in looking over your list, you proved how clueless and utterly useless you city boys are.
I'm quite sure the invention of the combustion engine did not require a city location. I'm equally certain antibiotics, fertilizer, insecticide, seeds, etc didn't result from the existence of cities. Wouldn't know about hormones, as I don't use them. If we got rid of all you city boys there wouldn't be a need for hormones in the first place. But come to think of it.. maybe the reason you city boys are such sissies is all that estrogen in the meat you're eating....
I don't need "big city weather technology" because I can tell when it's raining all by myself. Don't need irrigation, as plenty of water runs through the property, and the weather here is good. Don't need to filter the water either, because I don't have a pile of city boys pissing in my creek. Electricity is nice, can you point to a city with a major power generator in It? From what I've seen, most power is generated in rural areas.
I HAVE had city boys try to tell me how to run things though, like the time I got a letter from some city boy sitting in an office in Washington, telling me I couldn't put in a pond where I wanted to. I wanted to put it in a low spot that caught runoff so it would have fresh water flow. He wanted me to get on top of a hill and dig a hole. I told him the same thing I'm going to tell you:
"You don't know shit about this, so shut up."
wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 04:08 last edited by@larry said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
I'm quite sure the invention of the combustion engine did not require a city location. I'm equally certain antibiotics, fertilizer, insecticide, seeds, etc didn't result from the existence of cities.
You have just demonstrated much ignorance right there. The production of maintenance of internal combustion engines definitely depend on "big cities." Take the spark plugs, for example, they wear out every so often. You try making a spark plug without "big city" resources and see how well you do.
The production of antibiotics sure depend on "big city" technologies and resources. You try making your own antibiotics without relying on equipment and technologies sourced from any "big city" and see how far you get.
Fertilizers ... if you use manure, sure; but I wrote "mass produced chemical fertilizer." Go ahead and try farming for a whole year without using any fertilizer that is produced with any "big city" technology or resources, and see how far that gets you.
Insecticide ... not even sure if there is any naturally occurring insecticide for you to effectively cover a farm; I wrote "mass produced chemical insecticide". Go ahead and try farming for a whole year without using any insecticide that is produced with any "big city" technology or resources, and see how far that gets you.
You gotta learn to read properly.
Electricity is nice, can you point to a city with a major power generator in It? From what I've seen, most power is generated in rural areas.
The generators, even when located in rural areas, are built with "big city" technologies. The electromechanical and electronic control parts used in electrical generation plants are produced with "big city" technologies and resources. Relay stations, voltage conversion and voltage regulation stations, all rely on parts and control systems built on "big city" technologies.
Why do you even bring up "electricity"? I wrote "electronic" in my post, not "electricity," not "electrical." You gotta learn the difference. You can actually produce electricity with, say, a steam engine or a water stream turning a fairly simple generator (simple enough to build with basic casting and metallurgy). I am fairly certain that relatively small scale generation of electricity is quite possible without "big city" technologies and resources. The "electronics" are the hard things to produce without "big city" technologies and resources.
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@larry said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
I'm quite sure the invention of the combustion engine did not require a city location. I'm equally certain antibiotics, fertilizer, insecticide, seeds, etc didn't result from the existence of cities.
You have just demonstrated much ignorance right there. The production of maintenance of internal combustion engines definitely depend on "big cities." Take the spark plugs, for example, they wear out every so often. You try making a spark plug without "big city" resources and see how well you do.
The production of antibiotics sure depend on "big city" technologies and resources. You try making your own antibiotics without relying on equipment and technologies sourced from any "big city" and see how far you get.
Fertilizers ... if you use manure, sure; but I wrote "mass produced chemical fertilizer." Go ahead and try farming for a whole year without using any fertilizer that is produced with any "big city" technology or resources, and see how far that gets you.
Insecticide ... not even sure if there is any naturally occurring insecticide for you to effectively cover a farm; I wrote "mass produced chemical insecticide". Go ahead and try farming for a whole year without using any insecticide that is produced with any "big city" technology or resources, and see how far that gets you.
You gotta learn to read properly.
Electricity is nice, can you point to a city with a major power generator in It? From what I've seen, most power is generated in rural areas.
The generators, even when located in rural areas, are built with "big city" technologies. The electromechanical and electronic control parts used in electrical generation plants are produced with "big city" technologies and resources. Relay stations, voltage conversion and voltage regulation stations, all rely on parts and control systems built on "big city" technologies.
Why do you even bring up "electricity"? I wrote "electronic" in my post, not "electricity," not "electrical." You gotta learn the difference. You can actually produce electricity with, say, a steam engine or a water stream turning a fairly simple generator (simple enough to build with basic casting and metallurgy). I am fairly certain that relatively small scale generation of electricity is quite possible without "big city" technologies and resources. The "electronics" are the hard things to produce without "big city" technologies and resources.
wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 04:14 last edited by@axtremus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@larry said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
I'm quite sure the invention of the combustion engine did not require a city location. I'm equally certain antibiotics, fertilizer, insecticide, seeds, etc didn't result from the existence of cities.
You have just demonstrated much ignorance right there. The production of maintenance of internal combustion engines definitely depend on "big cities." Take the spark plugs, for example, they wear out every so often. You try making a spark plug without "big city" resources and see how well you do.
The production of antibiotics sure depend on "big city" technologies and resources. You try making your own antibiotics without relying on equipment and technologies sourced from any "big city" and see how far you get.
Fertilizers ... if you use manure, sure; but I wrote "mass produced chemical fertilizer." Go ahead and try farming for a whole year without using any fertilizer that is produced with any "big city" technology or resources, and see how far that gets you.
Insecticide ... not even sure if there is any naturally occurring insecticide for you to effectively cover a farm; I wrote "mass produced chemical insecticide". Go ahead and try farming for a whole year without using any insecticide that is produced with any "big city" technology or resources, and see how far that gets you.
You gotta learn to read properly.
Electricity is nice, can you point to a city with a major power generator in It? From what I've seen, most power is generated in rural areas.
The generators, even when located in rural areas, are built with "big city" technologies. The electromechanical and electronic control parts used in electrical generation plants are produced with "big city" technologies and resources. Relay stations, voltage conversion and voltage regulation stations, all rely on parts and control systems built on "big city" technologies.
Why do you even bring up "electricity"? I wrote "electronic" in my post, not "electricity," not "electrical." You gotta learn the difference. You can actually produce electricity with, say, a steam engine or a water stream turning a fairly simple generator (simple enough to build with basic casting and metallurgy). I am fairly certain that relatively small scale generation of electricity is quite possible without "big city" technologies and resources. The "electronics" are the hard things to produce without "big city" technologies and resources.
Just for shucks and grins, how often do you need to replace the spark pkugs in a modern farm tractor?
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@axtremus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@larry said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
I'm quite sure the invention of the combustion engine did not require a city location. I'm equally certain antibiotics, fertilizer, insecticide, seeds, etc didn't result from the existence of cities.
You have just demonstrated much ignorance right there. The production of maintenance of internal combustion engines definitely depend on "big cities." Take the spark plugs, for example, they wear out every so often. You try making a spark plug without "big city" resources and see how well you do.
The production of antibiotics sure depend on "big city" technologies and resources. You try making your own antibiotics without relying on equipment and technologies sourced from any "big city" and see how far you get.
Fertilizers ... if you use manure, sure; but I wrote "mass produced chemical fertilizer." Go ahead and try farming for a whole year without using any fertilizer that is produced with any "big city" technology or resources, and see how far that gets you.
Insecticide ... not even sure if there is any naturally occurring insecticide for you to effectively cover a farm; I wrote "mass produced chemical insecticide". Go ahead and try farming for a whole year without using any insecticide that is produced with any "big city" technology or resources, and see how far that gets you.
You gotta learn to read properly.
Electricity is nice, can you point to a city with a major power generator in It? From what I've seen, most power is generated in rural areas.
The generators, even when located in rural areas, are built with "big city" technologies. The electromechanical and electronic control parts used in electrical generation plants are produced with "big city" technologies and resources. Relay stations, voltage conversion and voltage regulation stations, all rely on parts and control systems built on "big city" technologies.
Why do you even bring up "electricity"? I wrote "electronic" in my post, not "electricity," not "electrical." You gotta learn the difference. You can actually produce electricity with, say, a steam engine or a water stream turning a fairly simple generator (simple enough to build with basic casting and metallurgy). I am fairly certain that relatively small scale generation of electricity is quite possible without "big city" technologies and resources. The "electronics" are the hard things to produce without "big city" technologies and resources.
Just for shucks and grins, how often do you need to replace the spark pkugs in a modern farm tractor?
wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 04:15 last edited by@jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Just for shucks and grins, how often do you need to replace the spark pkugs in a modern farm tractor?
Not a matter of replacement frequency. If you need one at all, you depend on "big city."
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wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 04:17 last edited by
Seems to that if the countryside was that great, they wouldn't go on about it being so great as much as they do.
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wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 04:26 last edited by
Oh the cowman and the farmer should be friends....
even the rural tribes don’t get along, just like the city folk.
Of course the reasoning there, so nicely arranged in Oklahoma! Is that the cowman who needs pasture maybe disregards property borders, while the farmer needs to protect his crops from the grazing livestock.
Either way everyone dislikes the other and thinks they themselves have it the best. Tribalism. But I think that’s not so bad. An evolutionary necessity.
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@jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Just for shucks and grins, how often do you need to replace the spark pkugs in a modern farm tractor?
Not a matter of replacement frequency. If you need one at all, you depend on "big city."
wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 12:36 last edited by@axtremus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Just for shucks and grins, how often do you need to replace the spark pkugs in a modern farm tractor?
Not a matter of replacement frequency. If you need one at all, you depend on "big city."
Uh, Ax...There are no spark plugs on a modern farm tractor. They are all diesels.
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@axtremus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Just for shucks and grins, how often do you need to replace the spark pkugs in a modern farm tractor?
Not a matter of replacement frequency. If you need one at all, you depend on "big city."
Uh, Ax...There are no spark plugs on a modern farm tractor. They are all diesels.
wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 13:49 last edited by@jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Uh, Ax...There are no spark plugs on a modern farm tractor. They are all diesels.
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“Modern” brings with it quite a bit of “big city” innovations. Strip away all the parts and technologies from “big city” and see how “modern” you remain.
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Diesel engine, basic idea conceived by Rudolph Diesel while a student at a technical university in Munich (a “bit city”), subsequent R&D done in Augsburg (another “big city”). When you use your Diesel engines, know that you are using an invention that came from big cities.
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wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 14:03 last edited by
Not all universities or centers of learning are in big cities. Thank you for playing, though...
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wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 14:06 last edited by
Furthermore, I'm just pointing out how stupid you are about all things rural, by asking about spark plugs.
Are you aware that farmers are jail-breaking the code on many of their new tractors, in order to enhance performance? Dumb farmers...
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Furthermore, I'm just pointing out how stupid you are about all things rural, by asking about spark plugs.
Are you aware that farmers are jail-breaking the code on many of their new tractors, in order to enhance performance? Dumb farmers...
wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 15:00 last edited by@jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
... farmers are jail-breaking the code on many of their new tractors, in order to enhance performance?
Goes to show that farmers rely on “big city” tech.
There would be no need to “jail break” if you just build your own tech rather than relying on some one else’s. -
Not all universities or centers of learning are in big cities. Thank you for playing, though...
wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 15:03 last edited by@jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Not all universities or centers of learning are in big cities. Thank you for playing, though...
You just happen to rely on tech that actually came out of “big cities.” Thank you for playing.
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@jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Not all universities or centers of learning are in big cities. Thank you for playing, though...
You just happen to rely on tech that actually came out of “big cities.” Thank you for playing.
wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 15:29 last edited by Jolly@axtremus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Not all universities or centers of learning are in big cities. Thank you for playing, though...
You just happen to rely on tech that actually came out of “big cities.” Thank you for playing.
And you're so full of shit, your eyes are brown. You know, I attended a small school in a small town, and several of the guys teaching there were no slouch. One was a leading authority in crustacean genetics. Another guy did quite a bit of research for the U.S. Forestry Service. The guy who taught me Quantitative Analysis, worked on the Manhattan Project and held multiple patents on cracking tower technology.
This isn't unusual. You're just exhibiting the typical hubris horseshit of the ignorant, who think rural America is just a bunch of grass-stem munching rubes. They're not.
As stipulated in this thread, cut one off from the other and see what happens. Remember, you're less than a week away from sheer anarchy, if many of your services or food supplies are taken away.
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wrote on 30 Dec 2020, 05:14 last edited by
For me, the US is a "10" country.
countryside + city = 10
When together, countryside = 5 and city = 5, and they each contribute to the overall goodness of the US.
Break them apart and instead of one "10" country, you have two "5" countries.
Neither as good as the combined.
Neither will "die", but both will survive rather than prosper.
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Seems to that if the countryside was that great, they wouldn't go on about it being so great as much as they do.
wrote on 30 Dec 2020, 05:23 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Seems to that if the countryside was that great, they wouldn't go on about it being so great as much as they do.
If it's not that great, why are all these city folks flocking here to buy houses?
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@larry said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
I'm quite sure the invention of the combustion engine did not require a city location. I'm equally certain antibiotics, fertilizer, insecticide, seeds, etc didn't result from the existence of cities.
You have just demonstrated much ignorance right there. The production of maintenance of internal combustion engines definitely depend on "big cities." Take the spark plugs, for example, they wear out every so often. You try making a spark plug without "big city" resources and see how well you do.
The production of antibiotics sure depend on "big city" technologies and resources. You try making your own antibiotics without relying on equipment and technologies sourced from any "big city" and see how far you get.
Fertilizers ... if you use manure, sure; but I wrote "mass produced chemical fertilizer." Go ahead and try farming for a whole year without using any fertilizer that is produced with any "big city" technology or resources, and see how far that gets you.
Insecticide ... not even sure if there is any naturally occurring insecticide for you to effectively cover a farm; I wrote "mass produced chemical insecticide". Go ahead and try farming for a whole year without using any insecticide that is produced with any "big city" technology or resources, and see how far that gets you.
You gotta learn to read properly.
Electricity is nice, can you point to a city with a major power generator in It? From what I've seen, most power is generated in rural areas.
The generators, even when located in rural areas, are built with "big city" technologies. The electromechanical and electronic control parts used in electrical generation plants are produced with "big city" technologies and resources. Relay stations, voltage conversion and voltage regulation stations, all rely on parts and control systems built on "big city" technologies.
Why do you even bring up "electricity"? I wrote "electronic" in my post, not "electricity," not "electrical." You gotta learn the difference. You can actually produce electricity with, say, a steam engine or a water stream turning a fairly simple generator (simple enough to build with basic casting and metallurgy). I am fairly certain that relatively small scale generation of electricity is quite possible without "big city" technologies and resources. The "electronics" are the hard things to produce without "big city" technologies and resources.
wrote on 30 Dec 2020, 05:34 last edited by@axtremus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@larry said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
I'm quite sure the invention of the combustion engine did not require a city location. I'm equally certain antibiotics, fertilizer, insecticide, seeds, etc didn't result from the existence of cities.
You have just demonstrated much ignorance right there. The production of maintenance of internal combustion engines definitely depend on "big cities." Take the spark plugs, for example, they wear out every so often. You try making a spark plug without "big city" resources and see how well you do.
The production of antibiotics sure depend on "big city" technologies and resources. You try making your own antibiotics without relying on equipment and technologies sourced from any "big city" and see how far you get.
Fertilizers ... if you use manure, sure; but I wrote "mass produced chemical fertilizer." Go ahead and try farming for a whole year without using any fertilizer that is produced with any "big city" technology or resources, and see how far that gets you.
Insecticide ... not even sure if there is any naturally occurring insecticide for you to effectively cover a farm; I wrote "mass produced chemical insecticide". Go ahead and try farming for a whole year without using any insecticide that is produced with any "big city" technology or resources, and see how far that gets you.
You gotta learn to read properly.
Electricity is nice, can you point to a city with a major power generator in It? From what I've seen, most power is generated in rural areas.
The generators, even when located in rural areas, are built with "big city" technologies. The electromechanical and electronic control parts used in electrical generation plants are produced with "big city" technologies and resources. Relay stations, voltage conversion and voltage regulation stations, all rely on parts and control systems built on "big city" technologies.
Why do you even bring up "electricity"? I wrote "electronic" in my post, not "electricity," not "electrical." You gotta learn the difference. You can actually produce electricity with, say, a steam engine or a water stream turning a fairly simple generator (simple enough to build with basic casting and metallurgy). I am fairly certain that relatively small scale generation of electricity is quite possible without "big city" technologies and resources. The "electronics" are the hard things to produce without "big city" technologies and resources.
That's just plain stupid. You've had to admit that the only thing cities can do that we can't do is "technology". Technology is not "big city". You keep talking about "chemical fertilizer" as being a result of "big city technology". The truth is, chemical fertilizer was invented in the late 1700s.,. In germany. On a farm. In the country.