December 2020
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More Americans will die of Covid in the month of December than were killed in the entire Vietnam war.
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@jon-nyc said in December 2020:
More Americans will die of Covid in the month of December than were killed in the entire Vietnam war.
It’s very different to die at 18 than age 80. Life years lost is something people would never post when they post this stat because it removes the shock value and actual provides an opportunity for people to think for themselves.
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@Loki said in December 2020:
It’s very different to die at 18 than age 80. Life years lost is something people would never post when they post this stat because it removes the shock value and actual provides an opportunity for people to think for themselves.
Loki, reading your posts is like trying to read right after I've had a stroke.
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Education is extremely important.
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@Loki said in December 2020:
@jon-nyc said in December 2020:
More Americans will die of Covid in the month of December than were killed in the entire Vietnam war.
It’s very different to die at 18 than age 80. Life years lost is something people would never post when they post this stat because it removes the shock value and actual provides an opportunity for people to think for themselves.
So when it comes time to decide, after healthcare and frontline workers, who get the vaccine first, we should prioritize using (probability to die from COVID-19 if contracted) * (expected life-years lost if die due to COVID-19), is that right?
For the reduced and thus rationed capacity to perform surgeries due to COVID-19 patients taking up capacity, prioritization for who gets to have life-saving surgeries should also be made based on expected life-years lost if the patient dies due to surgery not being performed, is that right?
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@Axtremus said in December 2020:
@Loki said in December 2020:
@jon-nyc said in December 2020:
More Americans will die of Covid in the month of December than were killed in the entire Vietnam war.
It’s very different to die at 18 than age 80. Life years lost is something people would never post when they post this stat because it removes the shock value and actual provides an opportunity for people to think for themselves.
So when it comes time to decide, after healthcare and frontline workers, who get the vaccine first, we should prioritize using (probability to die from COVID-19 if contracted) * (expected life-years lost if die due to COVID-19), is that right?
For the reduced and thus rationed capacity to perform surgeries due to COVID-19 patients taking up capacity, prioritization for who gets to have life-saving surgeries should also be made based on expected life-years lost if the patient dies due to surgery not being performed, is that right?
If you'd like, we could take a board vote to decide who gets it last around here...
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@Axtremus said in December 2020:
@Loki said in December 2020:
@jon-nyc said in December 2020:
More Americans will die of Covid in the month of December than were killed in the entire Vietnam war.
It’s very different to die at 18 than age 80. Life years lost is something people would never post when they post this stat because it removes the shock value and actual provides an opportunity for people to think for themselves.
So when it comes time to decide, after healthcare and frontline workers, who get the vaccine first, we should prioritize using (probability to die from COVID-19 if contracted) * (expected life-years lost if die due to COVID-19), is that right?
For the reduced and thus rationed capacity to perform surgeries due to COVID-19 patients taking up capacity, prioritization for who gets to have life-saving surgeries should also be made based on expected life-years lost if the patient dies due to surgery not being performed, is that right?
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I don’t know how the hell you got that from his post. That’s like me saying I would like soup for lunch and you infer that I believe penguins need to moved from the South Pole to the North...
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We already do prioritize some health services based on projected remaining life years... Ask anyone on a transplant list.
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@LuFins-Dad said in December 2020:
@Axtremus said in December 2020:
@Loki said in December 2020:
@jon-nyc said in December 2020:
More Americans will die of Covid in the month of December than were killed in the entire Vietnam war.
It’s very different to die at 18 than age 80. Life years lost is something people would never post when they post this stat because it removes the shock value and actual provides an opportunity for people to think for themselves.
So when it comes time to decide, after healthcare and frontline workers, who get the vaccine first, we should prioritize using (probability to die from COVID-19 if contracted) * (expected life-years lost if die due to COVID-19), is that right?
For the reduced and thus rationed capacity to perform surgeries due to COVID-19 patients taking up capacity, prioritization for who gets to have life-saving surgeries should also be made based on expected life-years lost if the patient dies due to surgery not being performed, is that right?
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I don’t know how the hell you got that from his post. That’s like me saying I would like soup for lunch and you infer that I believe penguins need to moved from the South Pole to the North...
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We already do prioritize some health services based on projected remaining life years... Ask anyone on a transplant list.
Thanks LD. I have always said that our approach should be to protect the most vulnerable and that should have been our emphasis from day 1. Ax must have missed it the 3-4 times I highlighted that point but it was a major theme of mine.
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@LuFins-Dad said in December 2020:
@Axtremus said in December 2020:
@Loki said in December 2020:
@jon-nyc said in December 2020:
More Americans will die of Covid in the month of December than were killed in the entire Vietnam war.
It’s very different to die at 18 than age 80. Life years lost is something people would never post when they post this stat because it removes the shock value and actual provides an opportunity for people to think for themselves.
So when it comes time to decide, after healthcare and frontline workers, who get the vaccine first, we should prioritize using (probability to die from COVID-19 if contracted) * (expected life-years lost if die due to COVID-19), is that right?
For the reduced and thus rationed capacity to perform surgeries due to COVID-19 patients taking up capacity, prioritization for who gets to have life-saving surgeries should also be made based on expected life-years lost if the patient dies due to surgery not being performed, is that right?
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I don’t know how the hell you got that from his post. That’s like me saying I would like soup for lunch and you infer that I believe penguins need to moved from the South Pole to the North...
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We already do prioritize some health services based on projected remaining life years... Ask anyone on a transplant list.
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is easy, he thinks remaining life year is important, translating it into practice results in the vaccination and rationed surgery prioritization I outlined.
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yes, the transplant prioritization scheme is consistent with taking the life year metric as important.
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@Loki said in December 2020:
@LuFins-Dad said in December 2020:
@Axtremus said in December 2020:
@Loki said in December 2020:
@jon-nyc said in December 2020:
More Americans will die of Covid in the month of December than were killed in the entire Vietnam war.
It’s very different to die at 18 than age 80. Life years lost is something people would never post when they post this stat because it removes the shock value and actual provides an opportunity for people to think for themselves.
So when it comes time to decide, after healthcare and frontline workers, who get the vaccine first, we should prioritize using (probability to die from COVID-19 if contracted) * (expected life-years lost if die due to COVID-19), is that right?
For the reduced and thus rationed capacity to perform surgeries due to COVID-19 patients taking up capacity, prioritization for who gets to have life-saving surgeries should also be made based on expected life-years lost if the patient dies due to surgery not being performed, is that right?
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I don’t know how the hell you got that from his post. That’s like me saying I would like soup for lunch and you infer that I believe penguins need to moved from the South Pole to the North...
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We already do prioritize some health services based on projected remaining life years... Ask anyone on a transplant list.
Thanks LD. I have always said that our approach should be to protect the most vulnerable and that should have been our emphasis from day 1. Ax must have missed it the 3-4 times I highlighted that point but it was a major theme of mine.
Oh you have, how does your "protect the most vulnerable" principle square with your "life-year is important" sentiment?
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@Loki said in December 2020:
@jon-nyc said in December 2020:
More Americans will die of Covid in the month of December than were killed in the entire Vietnam war.
It’s very different to die at 18 than age 80. Life years lost is something people would never post when they post this stat because it removes the shock value and actual provides an opportunity for people to think for themselves.
Then compare cumulative life-years if that's the metric you want to use.
After you do, you'll have two choices to make: somehow make a compelling argument that that number isn't shocking—good luck—or pivot to say life at 80 is less important than life at 20 because old people are doddering, can't do much, are a financial burden and basically inch closer to the line of "it doesn't matter when old people die alone of a terrible disease."
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Or just assume that by now everyone knows about the age skew in Covid deaths and people can apply a discount factor if they feel that is appropriate.
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Democrats should love Covid, since it kills off old people. And we all know that old people cost the most o provide medical care. It's easier to justify in their minds that grandpa dies from Covid then grandpa died because government provided health care deemed him too old to get treatment.
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@jon-nyc said in December 2020:
Or just assume that by now everyone knows about the age skew in Covid deaths and people can apply a discount factor if they feel that is appropriate.
Most years more people die of the flu than died in the entire Vietnam war yet we never dredged the Vietnam War comparison before and the comment today was the second squeezing of that rhetorical grape which was first floated months ago.
This comment is mostly about generating heat, I get it and I reject it.
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I think you've made your own discount factors quite clear. I doubt anyone is unclear about how you feel.
