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  • D Doctor Phibes
    29 Nov 2020, 22:43

    With all due respect, I am without peer, and so cannot be reviewed.

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    George K
    wrote on 29 Nov 2020, 22:45 last edited by
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    @Doctor-Phibes said in "Peer Reviewed":

    I am without peer, and so cannot be reviewed.

    True, and true.

    Not necessarily good, of course.

    But, true.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Doctor Phibes
      wrote on 29 Nov 2020, 22:51 last edited by
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      Most people who have viewed me in all of my glory do not wish to repeat the experience.

      I was only joking

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        Mik
        wrote on 29 Nov 2020, 22:54 last edited by Mik
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        You don't have a peer? I always suspected as much, but wondered how you relieve yourself.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • M Mik
          29 Nov 2020, 22:54

          You don't have a peer? I always suspected as much, but wondered how you relieve yourself.

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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on 29 Nov 2020, 23:10 last edited by
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          @Mik said in "Peer Reviewed":

          You don't have a peer? I always suspected as much, but wondered how you relieve yourself.

          There are people queueing up to take the piss out of me.

          I was only joking

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          • M Mik
            29 Nov 2020, 22:54

            You don't have a peer? I always suspected as much, but wondered how you relieve yourself.

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            Copper
            wrote on 29 Nov 2020, 23:50 last edited by
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            @Mik said in "Peer Reviewed":

            You don't have a peer? I always suspected as much, but wondered how you relieve yourself.

            Try this one

            The hair on the back of the neck should stand

            Link to video

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              Rainman
              wrote on 30 Nov 2020, 00:16 last edited by
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              Thanks, Copper.
              I've got new speakers, better than Mark's! (whatever he has)

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              • R Rainman
                30 Nov 2020, 00:16

                Thanks, Copper.
                I've got new speakers, better than Mark's! (whatever he has)

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                George K
                wrote on 30 Nov 2020, 00:17 last edited by
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                @Rainman said in "Peer Reviewed":

                I've got new speakers, better than Mark's!

                @kluurs laughed.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Larry
                  wrote on 30 Nov 2020, 00:18 last edited by
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                  I can remember quite clearly when we went through a period where the argument was "your information isn't peer reviewed so it's worthless. It's only valid information if it's peer reviewed".

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                  • G George K
                    29 Nov 2020, 21:34

                    @Klaus said in "Peer Reviewed":

                    Nobody except people who have no clue whatsoever about scientific work would think that peer review guarantees quality. All quality publication venues are peer reviewed, but by no means all peer-reviewed venues have high quality.

                    This.

                    Experts in a field know what the top 5 or 10 publication venues in that field are. Publications in those venues are what counts; the remainder is more or less just noise.

                    The problem is that "reporters" can't distinguish, or are ignorant of what the good journals are, and they use "peer-reviewed" as an imprimatur of quality and fact.

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                    Klaus
                    wrote on 30 Nov 2020, 11:22 last edited by
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                    @George-K said in "Peer Reviewed":

                    The problem is that "reporters" can't distinguish, or are ignorant of what the good journals are, and they use "peer-reviewed" as an imprimatur of quality and fact.

                    Also, an obvious fact that seems to be unknown to some reporters is that not all "peers" are equal. Prestigious venues will have the best people in the field review the papers. A low quality venue will have the Facebook friend of a niece of a friend of somebody who used to be a PhD student at Trump University some crappy college review the papers.

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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on 30 Nov 2020, 12:17 last edited by
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                      All reporters aren't equal, either.

                      I was only joking

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                        Larry
                        wrote on 30 Nov 2020, 14:32 last edited by
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                        Actually Klaus, you were the one that scolded me the most by demanding that I provide peer reviewed evidence to back up what is said, and told me if something wasn't peer reviewed it was worthless.

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                        • L Larry
                          30 Nov 2020, 14:32

                          Actually Klaus, you were the one that scolded me the most by demanding that I provide peer reviewed evidence to back up what is said, and told me if something wasn't peer reviewed it was worthless.

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                          Klaus
                          wrote on 30 Nov 2020, 15:33 last edited by
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                          @Larry said in "Peer Reviewed":

                          Actually Klaus, you were the one that scolded me the most by demanding that I provide peer reviewed evidence to back up what is said, and told me if something wasn't peer reviewed it was worthless.

                          Hu? I highly doubt it.

                          The weather report isn't peer-reviewed. That doesn't make it worthless.

                          Most scientific works that are not peer-reviewed are BS. But many "peer-reviewed" papers are BS, too. Do you understand the difference between "necessary" and "sufficient" I lined out above?

                          Here's a simple flow chart for you:

                          Peer reviewed? --> Yes --> maybe bullshit, maybe not, need to investigate further.
                          --> No ---> most likely bullshit, no need to investigate further.

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                            Larry
                            wrote on 30 Nov 2020, 16:00 last edited by
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                            No, I remember it like it was yesterday.

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