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  • KlausK Klaus

    @George-K said in "Peer Reviewed":

    The problem is that "reporters" can't distinguish, or are ignorant of what the good journals are, and they use "peer-reviewed" as an imprimatur of quality and fact.

    I'd say that merely illustrates that the intersection part of the Reporter-and-Idiots Venn diagram isn't empty.

    It isn't very hard to find out whether a publication venue is reputable or not.

    For instance, enter your favorite subject area here to find a list of journals that are usually at least decent in that area.
    Sometimes one gets bogus results, but it's way better than relying on the "peer-reviewed" label and only takes 20 seconds.

    https://academic.microsoft.com/journals

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    @Klaus said in "Peer Reviewed":

    I'd say that merely illustrates that the intersection part of the Reporter-and-Idiots Venn diagram isn't empty.

    This is the post of the day, and it is not restricted to "scientific" publications.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Yes, the Phibes diagram!

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      • Doctor PhibesD Online
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        Doctor Phibes
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        With all due respect, I am without peer, and so cannot be reviewed.

        I was only joking

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          With all due respect, I am without peer, and so cannot be reviewed.

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          @Doctor-Phibes said in "Peer Reviewed":

          I am without peer, and so cannot be reviewed.

          True, and true.

          Not necessarily good, of course.

          But, true.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Doctor Phibes
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            Most people who have viewed me in all of my glory do not wish to repeat the experience.

            I was only joking

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              You don't have a peer? I always suspected as much, but wondered how you relieve yourself.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Mik

                You don't have a peer? I always suspected as much, but wondered how you relieve yourself.

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                @Mik said in "Peer Reviewed":

                You don't have a peer? I always suspected as much, but wondered how you relieve yourself.

                There are people queueing up to take the piss out of me.

                I was only joking

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                • MikM Mik

                  You don't have a peer? I always suspected as much, but wondered how you relieve yourself.

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                  @Mik said in "Peer Reviewed":

                  You don't have a peer? I always suspected as much, but wondered how you relieve yourself.

                  Try this one

                  The hair on the back of the neck should stand

                  Link to video

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                    Thanks, Copper.
                    I've got new speakers, better than Mark's! (whatever he has)

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                    • RainmanR Rainman

                      Thanks, Copper.
                      I've got new speakers, better than Mark's! (whatever he has)

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                      George K
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                      @Rainman said in "Peer Reviewed":

                      I've got new speakers, better than Mark's!

                      @kluurs laughed.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        I can remember quite clearly when we went through a period where the argument was "your information isn't peer reviewed so it's worthless. It's only valid information if it's peer reviewed".

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                        • George KG George K

                          @Klaus said in "Peer Reviewed":

                          Nobody except people who have no clue whatsoever about scientific work would think that peer review guarantees quality. All quality publication venues are peer reviewed, but by no means all peer-reviewed venues have high quality.

                          This.

                          Experts in a field know what the top 5 or 10 publication venues in that field are. Publications in those venues are what counts; the remainder is more or less just noise.

                          The problem is that "reporters" can't distinguish, or are ignorant of what the good journals are, and they use "peer-reviewed" as an imprimatur of quality and fact.

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                          @George-K said in "Peer Reviewed":

                          The problem is that "reporters" can't distinguish, or are ignorant of what the good journals are, and they use "peer-reviewed" as an imprimatur of quality and fact.

                          Also, an obvious fact that seems to be unknown to some reporters is that not all "peers" are equal. Prestigious venues will have the best people in the field review the papers. A low quality venue will have the Facebook friend of a niece of a friend of somebody who used to be a PhD student at Trump University some crappy college review the papers.

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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            All reporters aren't equal, either.

                            I was only joking

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                              Actually Klaus, you were the one that scolded me the most by demanding that I provide peer reviewed evidence to back up what is said, and told me if something wasn't peer reviewed it was worthless.

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                              • LarryL Larry

                                Actually Klaus, you were the one that scolded me the most by demanding that I provide peer reviewed evidence to back up what is said, and told me if something wasn't peer reviewed it was worthless.

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                                @Larry said in "Peer Reviewed":

                                Actually Klaus, you were the one that scolded me the most by demanding that I provide peer reviewed evidence to back up what is said, and told me if something wasn't peer reviewed it was worthless.

                                Hu? I highly doubt it.

                                The weather report isn't peer-reviewed. That doesn't make it worthless.

                                Most scientific works that are not peer-reviewed are BS. But many "peer-reviewed" papers are BS, too. Do you understand the difference between "necessary" and "sufficient" I lined out above?

                                Here's a simple flow chart for you:

                                Peer reviewed? --> Yes --> maybe bullshit, maybe not, need to investigate further.
                                --> No ---> most likely bullshit, no need to investigate further.

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                                  No, I remember it like it was yesterday.

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