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AstraZeneca’s vaccine for COVID-19

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  • KlausK Offline
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    Could anyone explain "This is the only western vaccine in such late stage without a stabilized Spike in the pre-fusion conformation." to me?

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      So less is more? And they thought to do the trial that way. Would be good to understand why.

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        Phase 2 trials often are ‘multiple ascending dose’ since they’re trying to balance safety and efficacy, which are presumed to be a trade off, and neither of which are known with much confidence going in.

        What gets me is the lighter dose being more effective. Want to know their n and that it wasn’t just noise.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • KlausK Klaus

          Could anyone explain "This is the only western vaccine in such late stage without a stabilized Spike in the pre-fusion conformation." to me?

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          @Klaus said in AstraZeneca’s vaccine for COVID-19:

          Could anyone explain "This is the only western vaccine in such late stage without a stabilized Spike in the pre-fusion conformation." to me?

          https://www.pnas.org/content/114/35/E7348

          U figure it out

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            I take my vaccines cold. REAL cold.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              I take my vaccines like I take my women.

              Extra cold and double dosed.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                Phase 2 trials often are ‘multiple ascending dose’ since they’re trying to balance safety and efficacy, which are presumed to be a trade off, and neither of which are known with much confidence going in.

                What gets me is the lighter dose being more effective. Want to know their n and that it wasn’t just noise.

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                @jon-nyc said in AstraZeneca’s vaccine for COVID-19:

                What gets me is the lighter dose being more effective. Want to know their n and that it wasn’t just noise

                I’m not the only one curious about this.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  At this point, 538 would not be my go-to for statistical anything...

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    Phase 2 trials often are ‘multiple ascending dose’ since they’re trying to balance safety and efficacy, which are presumed to be a trade off, and neither of which are known with much confidence going in.

                    What gets me is the lighter dose being more effective. Want to know their n and that it wasn’t just noise.

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                    @jon-nyc said in AstraZeneca’s vaccine for COVID-19:

                    Phase 2 trials often are ‘multiple ascending dose’ since they’re trying to balance safety and efficacy, which are presumed to be a trade off, and neither of which are known with much confidence going in.

                    What gets me is the lighter dose being more effective. Want to know their n and that it wasn’t just noise.

                    Wait, this wasn’t a ‘multiple ascending dose’ P2. It was p3 and the light dosing was an accident. Fairly low n of 3k. They’re going to have some explaining to do.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                      Oh, and the reduced dosage set had a younger age profile.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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