Dominion lawyers up.
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 21:29 last edited by xenon
Why are dominion systems in the spotlight when you can easily do a manual recount? They're used to count votes.
How do the machines lead to fraud? If there is fraud, it should be super easy to check (Georgia already went through an exercise).
If I were getting as much heat as Dominion, I would definitely not talk to anyone without lawyering up.
The circus around them has proven to be ridiculous to date.
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Why are dominion systems in the spotlight when you can easily do a manual recount? They're used to count votes.
How do the machines lead to fraud? If there is fraud, it should be super easy to check (Georgia already went through an exercise).
If I were getting as much heat as Dominion, I would definitely not talk to anyone without lawyering up.
The circus around them has proven to be ridiculous to date.
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 22:00 last edited by Copper@xenon said in Dominion lawyers up.:
How do the machines lead to fraud?
In at least one County the Dominion machines electronically turned Trump votes into Biden votes.
I don't think this is disputed by anyone.
I believe the questions not answered are, how many other machines did this? And was this intentional?
The Biden people believe this was simple human error, this is wishful thinking.
The Trump people believe this was intentional, this is wishful thinking.
Someday we'll know the answers.
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@xenon said in Dominion lawyers up.:
How do the machines lead to fraud?
In at least one County the Dominion machines electronically turned Trump votes into Biden votes.
I don't think this is disputed by anyone.
I believe the questions not answered are, how many other machines did this? And was this intentional?
The Biden people believe this was simple human error, this is wishful thinking.
The Trump people believe this was intentional, this is wishful thinking.
Someday we'll know the answers.
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 22:14 last edited by xenon@Copper said in Dominion lawyers up.:
@xenon said in Dominion lawyers up.:
How do the machines lead to fraud?
In at least one County the Dominion machines electronically turned Trump votes into Biden votes.
I don't think this is disputed by anyone.
I believe the questions not answered are, how many other machines did this? And was this intentional?
The Biden people believe this was simple human error, this is wishful thinking.
The Trump people believe this was intentional, this is wishful thinking.
Someday we'll know the answers.
They didn't turn votes into anything. It's like a scantron sheet, if you're familiar with those. The voting machine can't change ballots.
You need to set the parameters of the scanner so it can read the ballot correctly. The person who setup the counter set it up incorrectly before running the ballots through.
A manual recount solves this issue. As does a spot check on ballot error rate (many states use this) - to make sure a random sampling of ballots matches the split of the full population.
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@Copper said in Dominion lawyers up.:
@xenon said in Dominion lawyers up.:
How do the machines lead to fraud?
In at least one County the Dominion machines electronically turned Trump votes into Biden votes.
I don't think this is disputed by anyone.
I believe the questions not answered are, how many other machines did this? And was this intentional?
The Biden people believe this was simple human error, this is wishful thinking.
The Trump people believe this was intentional, this is wishful thinking.
Someday we'll know the answers.
They didn't turn votes into anything. It's like a scantron sheet, if you're familiar with those. The voting machine can't change ballots.
You need to set the parameters of the scanner so it can read the ballot correctly. The person who setup the counter set it up incorrectly before running the ballots through.
A manual recount solves this issue. As does a spot check on ballot error rate (many states use this) - to make sure a random sampling of ballots matches the split of the full population.
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 22:32 last edited by@xenon said in Dominion lawyers up.:
@Copper said in Dominion lawyers up.:
@xenon said in Dominion lawyers up.:
How do the machines lead to fraud?
In at least one County the Dominion machines electronically turned Trump votes into Biden votes.
I don't think this is disputed by anyone.
I believe the questions not answered are, how many other machines did this? And was this intentional?
The Biden people believe this was simple human error, this is wishful thinking.
The Trump people believe this was intentional, this is wishful thinking.
Someday we'll know the answers.
They didn't turn votes into anything. It's like a scantron sheet, if you're familiar with those. The voting machine can't change ballots.
You need to set the parameters of the scanner so it can read the ballot correctly. The person who setup the counter set it up incorrectly before running the ballots through.
A manual recount solves this issue. As does a spot check on ballot error rate (many states use this) - to make sure a random sampling of ballots matches the split of the full population.
So what?
The machine gave an invalid vote count in Mr. Biden's favor.
It happened, really.
It was fixed almost immediately.
The questions remain. How many other machines? Was it intentional?
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@xenon said in Dominion lawyers up.:
@Copper said in Dominion lawyers up.:
@xenon said in Dominion lawyers up.:
How do the machines lead to fraud?
In at least one County the Dominion machines electronically turned Trump votes into Biden votes.
I don't think this is disputed by anyone.
I believe the questions not answered are, how many other machines did this? And was this intentional?
The Biden people believe this was simple human error, this is wishful thinking.
The Trump people believe this was intentional, this is wishful thinking.
Someday we'll know the answers.
They didn't turn votes into anything. It's like a scantron sheet, if you're familiar with those. The voting machine can't change ballots.
You need to set the parameters of the scanner so it can read the ballot correctly. The person who setup the counter set it up incorrectly before running the ballots through.
A manual recount solves this issue. As does a spot check on ballot error rate (many states use this) - to make sure a random sampling of ballots matches the split of the full population.
So what?
The machine gave an invalid vote count in Mr. Biden's favor.
It happened, really.
It was fixed almost immediately.
The questions remain. How many other machines? Was it intentional?
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 22:53 last edited by@Copper said in Dominion lawyers up.:
@xenon said in Dominion lawyers up.:
@Copper said in Dominion lawyers up.:
@xenon said in Dominion lawyers up.:
How do the machines lead to fraud?
In at least one County the Dominion machines electronically turned Trump votes into Biden votes.
I don't think this is disputed by anyone.
I believe the questions not answered are, how many other machines did this? And was this intentional?
The Biden people believe this was simple human error, this is wishful thinking.
The Trump people believe this was intentional, this is wishful thinking.
Someday we'll know the answers.
They didn't turn votes into anything. It's like a scantron sheet, if you're familiar with those. The voting machine can't change ballots.
You need to set the parameters of the scanner so it can read the ballot correctly. The person who setup the counter set it up incorrectly before running the ballots through.
A manual recount solves this issue. As does a spot check on ballot error rate (many states use this) - to make sure a random sampling of ballots matches the split of the full population.
So what?
The machine gave an invalid vote count in Mr. Biden's favor.
It happened, really.
It was fixed almost immediately.
The questions remain. How many other machines? Was it intentional?
You can put any number of safeguards, tools, processes in, and you'll never remove the element of human error.
What helps is having safeguards on the back end (like manual spot checks, etc.) - to try and catch large errors.
In the most publicized case - partisanship / intentional misconduct didn't seem to play a role (Tina Barton was the name of the Republican clerk in charge of the county I think)
And they did have safeguards in place if the clerks didn't catch it:
“Even if the error in the reported unofficial results had not been quickly noticed, it would have been identified during the county canvass,” department officials added. “The software did not cause a misallocation of votes; it was a result of user human error.”
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 22:55 last edited by
Yep, nothing like a Venezuelan product with servers outside of the U.S.
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@Jolly What are you saying? I'm actually interested in your argument from a technical perspective, I do a lot of data center work.
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 23:10 last edited by@xenon said in Dominion lawyers up.:
@Jolly What are you saying? I'm actually interested in your argument from a technical perspective, I do a lot of data center work.
Do some reading on possible backdoors in the software, where the software originated, the origins of the company that sold it and alleged dirty deeds done with it in other countries.
It may be pure BS. Or not.
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 23:27 last edited by
@Jolly said in Dominion lawyers up.:
Yep, nothing like a Venezuelan product with servers outside of the U.S.
Just wait until the GA hand recount blows the doors off this fraud....
Oh wait.
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 23:28 last edited by
Meanwhile, I read Dominion is a Colorado company.
What’s the actual story?
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 23:30 last edited by jon-nyc
So here is the Wikipedia entry on the company from before the election. From September 2020.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dominion_Voting_Systems&oldid=978653274
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@Copper said in Dominion lawyers up.:
@xenon said in Dominion lawyers up.:
@Copper said in Dominion lawyers up.:
@xenon said in Dominion lawyers up.:
How do the machines lead to fraud?
In at least one County the Dominion machines electronically turned Trump votes into Biden votes.
I don't think this is disputed by anyone.
I believe the questions not answered are, how many other machines did this? And was this intentional?
The Biden people believe this was simple human error, this is wishful thinking.
The Trump people believe this was intentional, this is wishful thinking.
Someday we'll know the answers.
They didn't turn votes into anything. It's like a scantron sheet, if you're familiar with those. The voting machine can't change ballots.
You need to set the parameters of the scanner so it can read the ballot correctly. The person who setup the counter set it up incorrectly before running the ballots through.
A manual recount solves this issue. As does a spot check on ballot error rate (many states use this) - to make sure a random sampling of ballots matches the split of the full population.
So what?
The machine gave an invalid vote count in Mr. Biden's favor.
It happened, really.
It was fixed almost immediately.
The questions remain. How many other machines? Was it intentional?
You can put any number of safeguards, tools, processes in, and you'll never remove the element of human error.
What helps is having safeguards on the back end (like manual spot checks, etc.) - to try and catch large errors.
In the most publicized case - partisanship / intentional misconduct didn't seem to play a role (Tina Barton was the name of the Republican clerk in charge of the county I think)
And they did have safeguards in place if the clerks didn't catch it:
“Even if the error in the reported unofficial results had not been quickly noticed, it would have been identified during the county canvass,” department officials added. “The software did not cause a misallocation of votes; it was a result of user human error.”
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 23:36 last edited by@xenon said in Dominion lawyers up.:
@Copper said in Dominion lawyers up.:
@xenon said in Dominion lawyers up.:
@Copper said in Dominion lawyers up.:
@xenon said in Dominion lawyers up.:
How do the machines lead to fraud?
In at least one County the Dominion machines electronically turned Trump votes into Biden votes.
I don't think this is disputed by anyone.
I believe the questions not answered are, how many other machines did this? And was this intentional?
The Biden people believe this was simple human error, this is wishful thinking.
The Trump people believe this was intentional, this is wishful thinking.
Someday we'll know the answers.
They didn't turn votes into anything. It's like a scantron sheet, if you're familiar with those. The voting machine can't change ballots.
You need to set the parameters of the scanner so it can read the ballot correctly. The person who setup the counter set it up incorrectly before running the ballots through.
A manual recount solves this issue. As does a spot check on ballot error rate (many states use this) - to make sure a random sampling of ballots matches the split of the full population.
So what?
The machine gave an invalid vote count in Mr. Biden's favor.
It happened, really.
It was fixed almost immediately.
The questions remain. How many other machines? Was it intentional?
You can put any number of safeguards, tools, processes in, and you'll never remove the element of human error.
What helps is having safeguards on the back end (like manual spot checks, etc.) - to try and catch large errors.
In the most publicized case - partisanship / intentional misconduct didn't seem to play a role (Tina Barton was the name of the Republican clerk in charge of the county I think)
And they did have safeguards in place if the clerks didn't catch it:
“Even if the error in the reported unofficial results had not been quickly noticed, it would have been identified during the county canvass,” department officials added. “The software did not cause a misallocation of votes; it was a result of user human error.”
How many other machines? Was it intentional?
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 23:37 last edited by
They’re in 1600 districts in the US including the entire state of Georgia.
You’d think at least somewhere in GA there’d be a red county with the courage to tell us about how the machine needs ink refills and blank paper the size of ballots. And a little shredder box that needs to be emptied from time to time.
Strange.
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 23:39 last edited by
By the way the machine looks familiar. I think we use these here.
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 23:45 last edited by
They were already in 22 states before the election of 2016, according to their Wikipedia page from August of 2016.
Our President assured me they were only in the 6 states with outcomes he doesn’t like.
Somebody’s not telling the truth.
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 23:49 last edited by
Rudy had claimed that Dominion was owned by Smartmatic which had Venezuelan connections, but I'd read elsewhere that Smartmatic was actually a competitor of Dominion.
It's hard to make sense of any of these claims. It's not clear at all what's true, but Rudy's attacks so far have been pretty farcical, so it could easily be the case that there is no connection to Venezuela.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9740535009
It's AP news, so take it for what it's worth. Most of the sites claiming Dominion is Venezuelan appear to be more commentary than actual news - I'm being polite, here.
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 23:51 last edited by
Here's a BBC fact-check
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55016029
It sounds to me that the claim that Dominion is Venezuelan is just untrue.
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 23:56 last edited by
I guess Warren and Klobuchar loved 'em...
https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/H.I.G. McCarthy, & Staple Street letters.pdf
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 23:57 last edited by jon-nyc
Smartmatic was founded by two Venezuelans and has had technology controversies. Here is their last wiki page before post-election editing began, Seems like minimal usage in the US and no relation to Dominion is mentioned.
Maybe Rudy and Sidney just liked this backstory better, so they decided to apply it to dominion?
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Smartmatic&oldid=985329147
