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Puzzle time - slicing the pie

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  • KlausK Offline
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    Klaus
    wrote on last edited by Klaus
    #6

    Yeah, I corrected the # of cuts. Still not right? I'm trying to avoid actually thinking.

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      jon-nyc
      wrote on last edited by
      #7

      It’s not. Still the wrong series.

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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      • KlausK Offline
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        #8

        OK, here's what all other sequences that start with 1,2,4,6,10,14,19 stored at that nice website say about it's 10th/11th element:

        A023115 - 45
        A076101 - 52
        A094281 - 51
        A323623 - 43
        A023536 - 46
        A047808 - 44
        A076268 - 42
        A024536 - 49
        A117237 - 52

        It must be one of those 😁

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          #9

          Hint:

          ||Thinking of the cuts as lines on a circle, what’s the largest number of lines the nth cut can intersect?||

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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          • KlausK Klaus

            OK, here's what all other sequences that start with 1,2,4,6,10,14,19 stored at that nice website say about it's 10th/11th element:

            A023115 - 45
            A076101 - 52
            A094281 - 51
            A323623 - 43
            A023536 - 46
            A047808 - 44
            A076268 - 42
            A024536 - 49
            A117237 - 52

            It must be one of those 😁

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            wrote on last edited by
            #10

            @Klaus said in Puzzle time - slicing the pie:

            OK, here's what all other sequences that start with 1,2,4,6,10,14,19 stored at that nice website say about it's 10th/11th element:

            A023115 - 45
            A076101 - 52
            A094281 - 51
            A323623 - 43
            A023536 - 46
            A047808 - 44
            A076268 - 42
            A024536 - 49
            A117237 - 52

            It must be one of those 😁

            And it’s none of those!

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Hint:

              ||Thinking of the cuts as lines on a circle, what’s the largest number of lines the nth cut can intersect?||

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              #11

              @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time - slicing the pie:

              Hint:

              ||Thinking of the cuts as lines on a circle, what’s the largest number of lines the nth cut can intersect?||

              Hey, I'm in a Zoom meeting right now. I can only do this as a low-priority background task that doesn't require me to think 🙂

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                #12

                ||
                Oh, I see, my problem was that I screwed up on the start of the sequence. It's 1,2,4,7,11,16.

                The first answer I get from OEIS is A000124, which has the promising subtitle "maximal number of pieces formed when slicing a pancake with n cuts.".

                So the answer seems to be 56.

                I refer to the references given at OEIS for the rationale 😀
                ||

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                • jon-nycJ Online
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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                  #13

                  Cheater.

                  ||How about noticing, based on my hint, that the nth cut can, at most, intersect the other n-1 cuts just once. That forms n new line segments (considering the edges of the pizza as end points as well). Each new line segment corresponds to a new slice of pie.

                  So f(n)=f(n-1)+n
                  And we know f(0) is 1

                  So:
                  f(1) = 2
                  f(2) = 4
                  f(3) = 7
                  f(4) = 11
                  f(5) = 16
                  f(6) = 22
                  f(7) = 29
                  f(8) = 37
                  f(9) = 46
                  f(10) = 56

                  So to get the nth number:

                  1+1+2+3+4+5+6..+n

                  Note that's just 1 plus the sum of the natural numbers to n.

                  So 1 + n(n+1)/2 or

                  (n^2 + n + 2)/2||

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                    #14

                    Hey, I didn't google for the task or something; I merely tried out a few cuts and searched for known sequences based on that. For a 5% CPU usage background task I'm happy with my performance 🙂

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                      #15

                      @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time - slicing the pie:

                      How about noticing, based on my hint, that the nth cut can, at most, intersect the other n-1 cuts just once.

                      That makes sense, but how do you know that this is not merely an upper bound but that you can always find a line that intersects n-1 cuts?

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                        jon-nyc
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                        #16

                        The short answer I can give you on my phone is “because there are infinite points on a circle”.

                        If you want a longer explanation I can do that later.

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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