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Puzzle time - slicing the pie

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by
    #5

    That’s not the answer and that’s not the series. Also 10 cuts not 100.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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      #6

      Yeah, I corrected the # of cuts. Still not right? I'm trying to avoid actually thinking.

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        #7

        It’s not. Still the wrong series.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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          #8

          OK, here's what all other sequences that start with 1,2,4,6,10,14,19 stored at that nice website say about it's 10th/11th element:

          A023115 - 45
          A076101 - 52
          A094281 - 51
          A323623 - 43
          A023536 - 46
          A047808 - 44
          A076268 - 42
          A024536 - 49
          A117237 - 52

          It must be one of those 😁

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            #9

            Hint:

            ||Thinking of the cuts as lines on a circle, what’s the largest number of lines the nth cut can intersect?||

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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            • KlausK Klaus

              OK, here's what all other sequences that start with 1,2,4,6,10,14,19 stored at that nice website say about it's 10th/11th element:

              A023115 - 45
              A076101 - 52
              A094281 - 51
              A323623 - 43
              A023536 - 46
              A047808 - 44
              A076268 - 42
              A024536 - 49
              A117237 - 52

              It must be one of those 😁

              jon-nycJ Offline
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              wrote on last edited by
              #10

              @Klaus said in Puzzle time - slicing the pie:

              OK, here's what all other sequences that start with 1,2,4,6,10,14,19 stored at that nice website say about it's 10th/11th element:

              A023115 - 45
              A076101 - 52
              A094281 - 51
              A323623 - 43
              A023536 - 46
              A047808 - 44
              A076268 - 42
              A024536 - 49
              A117237 - 52

              It must be one of those 😁

              And it’s none of those!

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                Hint:

                ||Thinking of the cuts as lines on a circle, what’s the largest number of lines the nth cut can intersect?||

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                #11

                @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time - slicing the pie:

                Hint:

                ||Thinking of the cuts as lines on a circle, what’s the largest number of lines the nth cut can intersect?||

                Hey, I'm in a Zoom meeting right now. I can only do this as a low-priority background task that doesn't require me to think 🙂

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                  Klaus
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                  #12

                  ||
                  Oh, I see, my problem was that I screwed up on the start of the sequence. It's 1,2,4,7,11,16.

                  The first answer I get from OEIS is A000124, which has the promising subtitle "maximal number of pieces formed when slicing a pancake with n cuts.".

                  So the answer seems to be 56.

                  I refer to the references given at OEIS for the rationale 😀
                  ||

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                    #13

                    Cheater.

                    ||How about noticing, based on my hint, that the nth cut can, at most, intersect the other n-1 cuts just once. That forms n new line segments (considering the edges of the pizza as end points as well). Each new line segment corresponds to a new slice of pie.

                    So f(n)=f(n-1)+n
                    And we know f(0) is 1

                    So:
                    f(1) = 2
                    f(2) = 4
                    f(3) = 7
                    f(4) = 11
                    f(5) = 16
                    f(6) = 22
                    f(7) = 29
                    f(8) = 37
                    f(9) = 46
                    f(10) = 56

                    So to get the nth number:

                    1+1+2+3+4+5+6..+n

                    Note that's just 1 plus the sum of the natural numbers to n.

                    So 1 + n(n+1)/2 or

                    (n^2 + n + 2)/2||

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • KlausK Offline
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                      Klaus
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                      #14

                      Hey, I didn't google for the task or something; I merely tried out a few cuts and searched for known sequences based on that. For a 5% CPU usage background task I'm happy with my performance 🙂

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                        #15

                        @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time - slicing the pie:

                        How about noticing, based on my hint, that the nth cut can, at most, intersect the other n-1 cuts just once.

                        That makes sense, but how do you know that this is not merely an upper bound but that you can always find a line that intersects n-1 cuts?

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                          The short answer I can give you on my phone is “because there are infinite points on a circle”.

                          If you want a longer explanation I can do that later.

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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